" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
What exactly do u mean by fix this??
You can play with keyboard already nothing is stopping u from doing so.
Or r u saying that the Keyboard/Mouse controls need to be better than the Gamepad?
Really just curious tho
I can answer that.
There are many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then "it's broken" and "needs to be fixed".
It's a form of ego masturbation that many people seem to partake in.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
I wonder would u also call it a Scam if u personaly would have liked it??
Your post was amusing to read tho made me smile a bit so thx for the entertainment as far as making good points well that u didn't manage but that doesn't matter as long as u entertain.
You say 11 was a scam well i say lets see
In order for it to be a scam it must have had promised u something it did not deliver and that it didn't do since SE never promised a good K/m control there is no denying that the K/M control weren't as good as in other MMos yet it was fully playable with what it offered AND it also offered u a different mean of Controlling which worked pretty well.
Many ppls didn't like what they offered and i can accept that hell we all like different stuff but saying i didnt like it so i was Scammed that's just silly.
Following this Logic all other MMos scammed me since they did not offer a good Gamepad control option.
Ok now to the Fans which r not the majority like u pointed out for us i suppose u might even be right with that even tho i only check FF14 threats since i am a big FF fan in general and therefore like to get information's when possible.
Still i do fail to see why the Fans should not be allowed to point out there point of view only course its different than yours doesn't mean its wrong i dont even believe there is a right or wrong its all a matter of personal preferences and how good i can and am willing to adopt to changes like in this case Controls.
Also i think that while maybe not the majority r fans on this forums is it save to assume that most ppls playing FF14 in the end will be Fans and therefore there opinion should matter more than the opinions from ppls which most likely will not stick to a game for long anyway.(Matter for SE i mean)
Just so u do understand me i dont say the Controls r good i do agree with all of u who say the K/M controls were terrible just pointing out that it didn't mean the Game didn't have a good working Control option and i am sure FF 14 will offer at least 1 good working control option again which is standard for all mmos (even tho the good option might be Gamepad again)
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
In regards to the text I turned red, please cite references in which it says "almost everyone" hated the controls. Otherwise, avoid sweeping statements with words such as "many," or "a lot."
As for the scam part, I don't think you understand what constitutes a scam. Controls not up to your personal standard is not a scam.
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
What exactly do u mean by fix this??
You can play with keyboard already nothing is stopping u from doing so.
Or r u saying that the Keyboard/Mouse controls need to be better than the Gamepad?
Really just curious tho
I can answer that.
There are many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then "it's broken" and "needs to be fixed".
It's a form of ego masturbation that many people seem to partake in.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
Ugh, even though FFXI did have pretty terrible controls this post is ridiculous. How was FFXI a scam? Do you feel like you were swindled out of your money? Did the game falsely advertise anything? No. It's not a scam. Did they lose thousands of PC gamers who purchased the game due to the controls? Properly. That doesn't make it a scam. Saying stuff like this really doesn't help get your points across.
I'm reading several threads about keyboard + mouse vs. controller.
It seems as the Final Fantasy fans are sticking up for the controller, and telling others they have to adapt to whatever this game needs as far as control.
I say no !
THEIR SHOULD BE NO REASON TO DO RESEARCH. This game will be launched to the un suspecting public. Many people will feel riped off if it runs with no less than perfect keyboard and mouse......If anything less, BestBuy and EB Games better have a very good return policy.
And yes this Forum needs this as a new topic, because it's the single most important aspect of Final Fantasy XIV.
Why would this be a concern?It is not a concern in FFXI,are you thinking Sqaure for some unknown reason is going to make it worse for FFXIV?There is many things to discuss about Square doing many things worse in FFXIV from FFXI,this is not one, i have not heard any indication at all of Square making controls worse,if anything i have heard they are making the UI ,so you can move it and control it better,something ALL other games have forced users to look to outside add ons for.
I play on keyboard/mouse setup and i am a big stickler,i come from a FPS background,i been using keyboard mouse probably long before most users,so if it satisfies me,it should satisfy anyone,especially since i hate controllers.
There has been too many posts on this in the past,obviously people are too lazy to look for options or menus,games do not auomatically setup for EACH individual,to think it would is VERY self righteous.
If anything not having full mouse control ,such as in many F2P games,they allow you to move by holding two mouse buttons,or move by clicking the ground,this is something Square might want to add,however i you are admant on a mouse/keyboard setup,that would be of no concern anyhow.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
Yes, but I would guess the majority of FF fans don't want the game to be like WoW. Why can't you understand that?
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" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
Yes, but I would guess the majority of FF fans don't want the game to be like WoW. Why can't you understand that?
Because this game will be marketed heavy, as marketing could be for video games. Do you think only FF fans will see it in stores, millions will.........Why can't you understand that ?
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
Yes, but I would guess the majority of FF fans don't want the game to be like WoW. Why can't you understand that?
Because this game will be marketed heavy, as marketing could be for video games. Do you think only FF fans will see it in stores, millions will.........Why can't you understand that ?
Why can't you understand that you may have to adjust to a new control scheme? Is it really that hard?
If you don't like the game, any aspect of it, then don't play it. I honestly don't know what to tell you. You seem to have some diselusioned vision of how things should work. Even after the next patch, I honestly doubt you'll be happy with how the controls work.
(Not to mention, have you even played the beta yet? This thread seems awfully pointless when its started by someone complaining about something they haven't experienced.)
I sware I love the fact that this game is making people lose their minds more and more each and every day. It's going to be so much fun not having that crowd leak in to the actual game because people are simply scared to try and adjust to something new or different. I wish the doomsayers the best but I don't think FFXIV will have any problems staying afloat.
Husband : Remember we got that game yesterday, called Final Fantasy 11, well I have to return it. I'm running to the mall.
Wife : Why ?
Husband : Because it loads ok but the controls are screwy, Mike and I were playing around with it for hours, and it's just screwy.
Wife : Can't you google it, and figure out why ?
Husband : I went on the game site, and googled it, no help their just found some fan sites, It just kind of sucks, Mike is disappointed too. You would think it would be fine to play it right out of the box, It's a big hassle.
Wife : Well, remember when you took back that other game, they told you no returns.
Husband : You think were stuck with it ?
Wife : I think so, honey you got screwed, I told you not to buy it.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
I sware I love the fact that this game is making people lose their minds more and more each and every day. It's going to be so much fun not having that crowd leak in to the actual game because people are simply scared to try and adjust to something new or different. I wish the doomsayers the best but I don't think FFXIV will have any problems staying afloat.
New/different does not mean good, not sure what world you live in where it automatically does.
Are you implying that the "Games For Windows" dictates a specific control setup? I hope you're not.
Sorry, but not willing to go into detail and agrue every single point here. I don't think any agruing is going to convince anyone that SE needs to focus on making the game PC/keyboard friendly (which they appear to be making an effort to do so) if they are so deadset on defending them.
Games for Windows does have a specific control standard. Just like submitting games to Microsoft you have specific standards on the game before it can be released via XBLA or in stores. These include controller specific standards like the main action button usually being "A" and jump buttons being "X". There are other standards of course not related to controls like having a specific number of achievements and achievement points and the game being able to function without crashing when do various things (pressing the guide button at any point for example). I'm not sure what the exact standards for Games for Windows are, but I'm sure they are similar to Xbox games in order to get that seal.
It's really odd the controls are considered so bad. I attribute it mostly to the fact the Japanese keyboard is so different from the US one and they simply didn't port it over well. The UI is also menu driven because of a gamepad's limited buttons (which means simple actions you could normally in other MMOs you have to spend time shifting through menus in FFXI and possibly FFXIV) and revamping the UI entirely for the PC version would take a bit of effort and possibly even be unfair for those who plan to play it on the PS3 version since PC users would have a clear advantage of being able to do things faster. Using DirectX controls are one of the easier things to do in game programming and fluid controls aren't difficult at all - whether you do so for any controller or the keyboard/mouse or both.
Allow me to clarify...
Does the "Games For Windows" seal specifically only apply to games that have Mouse + WASD movement,? That's what it seems most of the people arguing about the mouse/keyboard setup are looking for when they refer to how "it should play on a PC just like any other MMO".
I'm saying no, considering the games I've played with that seal, that did not have that setup.
It sounds like the whole "Games For Windows" thing is nothing more than an attempt to give the argument some "official" sense of weight... which it doesn't.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
There are many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then "it's broken" and "needs to be fixed".
It's a form of ego masturbation that many people seem to partake in.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
No, you won't "prove" or back up your broad generalizations, because you can't.
That said, from my experience in XI, I'd say you're sorely underestimating the number of people who used the keyboard and/or mouse setup in FFXI.
Out of my 7+ years playing the game, I played using keyboard exclusively for 5 of them. I knew many other people on PC who played with the keyboard only. I knew several who used the keyboard and mouse (the mouse in XI was pretty much useless, IMO, but others found it useful). I had conversations with people who couldn't fathom the idea of using a gamepad because compared to a keyboard, with quick access to all its keys, it felt too limiting to them. And I'm just one person, on one server, who knew a relative handful of people.
Of course, yes, there were a lot of people who hated the keyboard/mouse controls as well. No denying that. But people who insist that somehow the keyboard/mouse controls in FFXI were some catastrophic failure only endorsed by the smallest percent of PC players are, in my opinion, underestimating the situation.
I've been on both sides of the fence. When I first started playing XI, I tried the keyboard and, like others, said "no way, screw this", and switched to gamepad. One day, by chance, I didn't have my gamepad handy so I decided to "deal with" the keyboard setup temporarily 'til I got my gamepad back. It took me an hour to get fully comfortable with the controls, and I swore off gamepads - yes, on the PC - from that point forward.
Again, it's not "broken" because someone doesn't like it or chooses not to familiarize themselves with it. Something is broken if it doesn't work and isn't functional. The keyboard/mouse controls in FFXI worked perfectly fine; and I never even had to touch the mouse. In fact, I found them more efficient and flexible than the gamepad. Everything I could do on a gamepad, I could do on keyboard either as well as, or even faster/better than I could with a gamepad.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
It's very easy to assume a lot of things... doesn't mean those assumptions are correct or are agreed on by everyone as a whole. But then that's the real problem, isn't it? Too many people lack objectivity when they make statements like that. They seem to assume that everyone thinks the way they do - or at least should think the way they do, and will dismiss anyone who disagrees as "fanboys", or "blind", or whatever.
Thus, people who say things like "I don't like the controls in XI, therefor they're "broken" and everyone should hate them. The only people who would actually say they like the controls are those who would take any crap SE throw at them" are not making a strong objective argument, but merely a highly opinionated subjective one.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
See... you, in that short paragraph, demonstrate exactly the mentality I'm talking about. You don't like the PC setup in FFXI and, presumably, expect you wouldn't like it in FFXIV, so to you they're "fires". And those who happen to be on the other side of the fence, are "trying to put them out". A perfect example of the typical "I don't like it, therefor it's broken" mentality.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
FFXI is a "scam"... riiiiight.
I'm just going to let the utter stupidity of your last statement there speak for itself.
All that said...
That's one hell of a diatribe you wrote over something I said that's not even specific to FFXIV, but a mere assessment of the mentality a number of posters around here, and elsewhere, display regularly - about any game.
At the end of the day, SE will bring the PC-specific controls to a point they feel work best with their game. People will either give it a shot and like it, or give it a shot and hate it. Some will decide they can't play the game at all, some will decide a gamepad would be better... some will simply wait for the PS3 version... and so on.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I sware I love the fact that this game is making people lose their minds more and more each and every day. It's going to be so much fun not having that crowd leak in to the actual game because people are simply scared to try and adjust to something new or different. I wish the doomsayers the best but I don't think FFXIV will have any problems staying afloat.
New/different does not mean good, not sure what world you live in where it automatically does.
Nor does it mean "broken" when you decide you don't like something new/different, or can't be bothered to take a little time to get used to it. It simply means "you don't like it and aren't interested in becoming accustom to it".
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Why can't you understand that you may have to adjust to a new control scheme? Is it really that hard?
To someone who expects a developer to cater specifically to exactly what they want, exactly how they want it, or they'll cry bloody murder? Yes, it seems it really is that hard.
If you don't like the game, any aspect of it, then don't play it...
Extremely logical statement there as well.
Problem is, while many people can simply say "I'm not interested in that", or "I don't think I'd enjoy that", and be on their way to find something they are interested in and could enjoy, there are some who deem it an unforgivable crime if a game developer dares design a game - or any part of it - in a way that *they* don't like. They then go on to forums like these declaring the game will fail because they, and the thousands or even millions of others they often presume automatically agree with them, won't play it.
People said FFXI would be a failure that would crash and burn years back when it first launched in the US. 7+ years later, they're still saying it's a failure and will crash and burn.
And when SE eventually takes the servers offline, deciding FFXI has run its course, some of them will be right there to say "See?!?! I TOLD you fanboys FFXI would fail!! They had to take the game offline because it sucked so bad and no one played it lololol!!!!" - or something to that effect.
Some people are so caught up in their own myopic view of how things are or how they should be that they fail to ever look at it objectively. Then they do things like calling it a "scam" because they don't like some aspect of it.
(Not to mention, have you even played the beta yet? This thread seems awfully pointless when its started by someone complaining about something they haven't experienced.)
lol... also nothing new around here. Actual first-hand experience has never been a barrier to some people prattling on like they have a clue.
That said, not sure if they're in Beta or not.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Husband : Remember we got that game yesterday, called Final Fantasy 11, well I have to return it. I'm running to the mall.
Wife : Why ?
Husband : Because it loads ok but the controls are screwy, Mike and I were playing around with it for hours, and it's just screwy.
Wife : Can't you google it, and figure out why ?
Husband : I went on the game site, and googled it, no help their just found some fan sites, It just kind of sucks, Mike is disappointed too. You would think it would be fine to play it right out of the box, It's a big hassle.
Wife : Well, remember when you took back that other game, they told you no returns.
Husband : You think were stuck with it ?
Wife : I think so, honey you got screwed, I told you not to buy it.
Wife ; You look so sad, lets go have sex !
Lets just hope we don't have a repeat with FF14
The game is not aimed to NA player base in the first place, so i dont see your point sorry.America =/= world.
Why when people ask for something to make the game mechanically better for them do people who do not have that problem defend the lack of mouse / keyboard and argue that it is "fine" even though it obviously doesn't impact them. I played FFXI for about 3 hours and decided the controls sucked with mouse and keyboard and quit playing. . they weren't too hard. . they sucked. The were ob viously designed for a conroller - with PC users as an afterthought. . which is fine.
If you want more people in your game. . supporting it etc.. then get off the horse. Would it kill your experience if someone else had controls they felt were suitable? Would them being able to enjoy the game hurt you in some way. . you would certainly think so based on the asnwers in this forum.
Do you not realize that more players means more revenue = maybe better product? No one is asking for easy mode. .they are asking to not have to click on the ground to move there etc. And yes, people do expect when they buy an MMO off the shelf for a PC that it will have decent controls on a PC . . this is not absurd. . or "american whining". If you could only buy a car based on the picture on a poster and you got in it to find out that the steeringwheel is 2 inches wide. . but "functional" and "good enough" wouldn't you complain when 99.99% of other cars offer better controls?
No one wants to take your console MMO away from you. . they want to play it themselves. . it will be okay.
you realise that this thread was done 1 week after they have already said " we get it, we are fixing it for beta 3"
This Thread Sounds just like whining to me , sorry.
I have said already a lot of times i actually agree the game should be more k/m friendly, But the whining without facts are anoying , especially from OP. Guy isnt even in beta.
you realise that this thread was done 1 week after they have already said " we get it, we are fixing it for beta 3"
This Thread Sounds just like whining to me , sorry.
More like 10% of the thread is whining, 20% is saying they hope the controls are fixed, 20% are people saying its being fixed in beta 3, and 50% claiming its not going to be fixed because its fine the way it is and if you dont like it dont play it.
you realise that this thread was done 1 week after they have already said " we get it, we are fixing it for beta 3"
This Thread Sounds just like whining to me , sorry.
, and 50% claiming its not going to be fixed because its fine the way it is and if you dont like it dont play it.
Saying is not game breaker,which is the main point from most of the fans, is not the same as saying if you dont like it dont play.This statment only comes usually after 3-4 post of trying to make people like the OP understand is not as bad as he makes it out to be.
Anyways this thread is way to long and pointless so thats all my posting in here.I´ll start a new one after beta named"is fixed stfu" or" is not fixed M/K people dont buy this game "thread.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
Yes, but I would guess the majority of FF fans don't want the game to be like WoW. Why can't you understand that?
Because this game will be marketed heavy, as marketing could be for video games. Do you think only FF fans will see it in stores, millions will.........Why can't you understand that ?
A classic case of the developers wanting something that the fans do not. I understand that the company wants to make tons of money, but at the expense of their true fans who have been hanging on for years? Surely a larger market will look good to the business side of the company, but that market will bring in loads of people, like the OP, who will basically turn the game into WoW, like they have every other popular game that has come out since it.
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Lol...I wonder would u also call it a Scam if u personaly would have liked it??
Your post was amusing to read tho made me smile a bit so thx for the entertainment as far as making good points well that u didn't manage but that doesn't matter as long as u entertain.
You say 11 was a scam well i say lets see
In order for it to be a scam it must have had promised u something it did not deliver and that it didn't do since SE never promised a good K/m control there is no denying that the K/M control weren't as good as in other MMos yet it was fully playable with what it offered AND it also offered u a different mean of Controlling which worked pretty well.
Many ppls didn't like what they offered and i can accept that hell we all like different stuff but saying i didnt like it so i was Scammed that's just silly.
Following this Logic all other MMos scammed me since they did not offer a good Gamepad control option.
Ok now to the Fans which r not the majority like u pointed out for us i suppose u might even be right with that even tho i only check FF14 threats since i am a big FF fan in general and therefore like to get information's when possible.
Still i do fail to see why the Fans should not be allowed to point out there point of view only course its different than yours doesn't mean its wrong i dont even believe there is a right or wrong its all a matter of personal preferences and how good i can and am willing to adopt to changes like in this case Controls.
Also i think that while maybe not the majority r fans on this forums is it save to assume that most ppls playing FF14 in the end will be Fans and therefore there opinion should matter more than the opinions from ppls which most likely will not stick to a game for long anyway.(Matter for SE i mean)
Just so u do understand me i dont say the Controls r good i do agree with all of u who say the K/M controls were terrible just pointing out that it didn't mean the Game didn't have a good working Control option and i am sure FF 14 will offer at least 1 good working control option again which is standard for all mmos (even tho the good option might be Gamepad again)
In regards to the text I turned red, please cite references in which it says "almost everyone" hated the controls. Otherwise, avoid sweeping statements with words such as "many," or "a lot."
As for the scam part, I don't think you understand what constitutes a scam. Controls not up to your personal standard is not a scam.
Ugh, even though FFXI did have pretty terrible controls this post is ridiculous. How was FFXI a scam? Do you feel like you were swindled out of your money? Did the game falsely advertise anything? No. It's not a scam. Did they lose thousands of PC gamers who purchased the game due to the controls? Properly. That doesn't make it a scam. Saying stuff like this really doesn't help get your points across.
Why would this be a concern?It is not a concern in FFXI,are you thinking Sqaure for some unknown reason is going to make it worse for FFXIV?There is many things to discuss about Square doing many things worse in FFXIV from FFXI,this is not one, i have not heard any indication at all of Square making controls worse,if anything i have heard they are making the UI ,so you can move it and control it better,something ALL other games have forced users to look to outside add ons for.
I play on keyboard/mouse setup and i am a big stickler,i come from a FPS background,i been using keyboard mouse probably long before most users,so if it satisfies me,it should satisfy anyone,especially since i hate controllers.
There has been too many posts on this in the past,obviously people are too lazy to look for options or menus,games do not auomatically setup for EACH individual,to think it would is VERY self righteous.
If anything not having full mouse control ,such as in many F2P games,they allow you to move by holding two mouse buttons,or move by clicking the ground,this is something Square might want to add,however i you are admant on a mouse/keyboard setup,that would be of no concern anyhow.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Yes, but I would guess the majority of FF fans don't want the game to be like WoW. Why can't you understand that?
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Because this game will be marketed heavy, as marketing could be for video games. Do you think only FF fans will see it in stores, millions will.........Why can't you understand that ?
Why can't you understand that you may have to adjust to a new control scheme? Is it really that hard?
If you don't like the game, any aspect of it, then don't play it. I honestly don't know what to tell you. You seem to have some diselusioned vision of how things should work. Even after the next patch, I honestly doubt you'll be happy with how the controls work.
(Not to mention, have you even played the beta yet? This thread seems awfully pointless when its started by someone complaining about something they haven't experienced.)
I think this guy can explain it to you in a way you guys can understand,
http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/whining.jpg
I sware I love the fact that this game is making people lose their minds more and more each and every day. It's going to be so much fun not having that crowd leak in to the actual game because people are simply scared to try and adjust to something new or different. I wish the doomsayers the best but I don't think FFXIV will have any problems staying afloat.
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TOPICAL AMERICAN FAMILY
Husband : I have to go out for a few hours.
Wife : Where are you going, I'm making dinner.
Husband : Remember we got that game yesterday, called Final Fantasy 11, well I have to return it. I'm running to the mall.
Wife : Why ?
Husband : Because it loads ok but the controls are screwy, Mike and I were playing around with it for hours, and it's just screwy.
Wife : Can't you google it, and figure out why ?
Husband : I went on the game site, and googled it, no help their just found some fan sites, It just kind of sucks, Mike is disappointed too. You would think it would be fine to play it right out of the box, It's a big hassle.
Wife : Well, remember when you took back that other game, they told you no returns.
Husband : You think were stuck with it ?
Wife : I think so, honey you got screwed, I told you not to buy it.
Wife ; You look so sad, lets go have sex !
Lets just hope we don't have a repeat with FF14
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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Darrensul
New/different does not mean good, not sure what world you live in where it automatically does.
+1 for Princess Bride reference.
Allow me to clarify...
Does the "Games For Windows" seal specifically only apply to games that have Mouse + WASD movement,? That's what it seems most of the people arguing about the mouse/keyboard setup are looking for when they refer to how "it should play on a PC just like any other MMO".
I'm saying no, considering the games I've played with that seal, that did not have that setup.
It sounds like the whole "Games For Windows" thing is nothing more than an attempt to give the argument some "official" sense of weight... which it doesn't.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
All that said...
That's one hell of a diatribe you wrote over something I said that's not even specific to FFXIV, but a mere assessment of the mentality a number of posters around here, and elsewhere, display regularly - about any game.
At the end of the day, SE will bring the PC-specific controls to a point they feel work best with their game. People will either give it a shot and like it, or give it a shot and hate it. Some will decide they can't play the game at all, some will decide a gamepad would be better... some will simply wait for the PS3 version... and so on.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The game is not aimed to NA player base in the first place, so i dont see your point sorry.America =/= world.
OP was over the top but:
Why when people ask for something to make the game mechanically better for them do people who do not have that problem defend the lack of mouse / keyboard and argue that it is "fine" even though it obviously doesn't impact them. I played FFXI for about 3 hours and decided the controls sucked with mouse and keyboard and quit playing. . they weren't too hard. . they sucked. The were ob viously designed for a conroller - with PC users as an afterthought. . which is fine.
If you want more people in your game. . supporting it etc.. then get off the horse. Would it kill your experience if someone else had controls they felt were suitable? Would them being able to enjoy the game hurt you in some way. . you would certainly think so based on the asnwers in this forum.
Do you not realize that more players means more revenue = maybe better product? No one is asking for easy mode. .they are asking to not have to click on the ground to move there etc. And yes, people do expect when they buy an MMO off the shelf for a PC that it will have decent controls on a PC . . this is not absurd. . or "american whining". If you could only buy a car based on the picture on a poster and you got in it to find out that the steeringwheel is 2 inches wide. . but "functional" and "good enough" wouldn't you complain when 99.99% of other cars offer better controls?
No one wants to take your console MMO away from you. . they want to play it themselves. . it will be okay.
Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
you realise that this thread was done 1 week after they have already said " we get it, we are fixing it for beta 3"
This Thread Sounds just like whining to me , sorry.
I have said already a lot of times i actually agree the game should be more k/m friendly, But the whining without facts are anoying , especially from OP. Guy isnt even in beta.
More like 10% of the thread is whining, 20% is saying they hope the controls are fixed, 20% are people saying its being fixed in beta 3, and 50% claiming its not going to be fixed because its fine the way it is and if you dont like it dont play it.
Saying is not game breaker,which is the main point from most of the fans, is not the same as saying if you dont like it dont play.This statment only comes usually after 3-4 post of trying to make people like the OP understand is not as bad as he makes it out to be.
Anyways this thread is way to long and pointless so thats all my posting in here.I´ll start a new one after beta named"is fixed stfu" or" is not fixed M/K people dont buy this game "thread.
These are the things I expect. If not exactly like that from start, to let me customize keys to them or as close as possible:
- WASD for movement, mouse movement to move the camera (with or without having to hold a button, no preference there)
- Mouse scroll wheel to zoom in/out
- F1-Fxxx to select teammates
- 1-9 to access hot keys shortcuts (abilities, items, whatever)
That's pretty much all I need to play the game comfortably.
Minor requirements:
- Shift to toggle run/walk
- Numlock to auto-run (again, not expecting this to start so, but let me configure the key)
- alt-1-9 and ctrl-1-9 alternate shorcuts
A classic case of the developers wanting something that the fans do not. I understand that the company wants to make tons of money, but at the expense of their true fans who have been hanging on for years? Surely a larger market will look good to the business side of the company, but that market will bring in loads of people, like the OP, who will basically turn the game into WoW, like they have every other popular game that has come out since it.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.