When most of us complain about wanting keyboard+mouse controls it goes beyond just comfort of what we are used too. Its about functionality. Using a mouse to control camera is much more efficient than keyboard turning. When I turn my camera with my mouse, my camera will turn as fast as I move it for example, while turning with keyboard will feel slow and restricting. Mouse just has too much precision. Clicking on an enemy to target instead of tabbing though multiple mobs is another example. Not having to scroll various menus or your inventory is another. Open your bag and click your item in a seconds time, instead of opening your inventory and scrolling through a list of items.
This is somethin everyone can agree on.I think the main problem was they literally moved the way the ps camera moved over to the mouse camera movement , and is why it feels slow.
The problem with this is if they leave console camera movement as it is, then the gameplay diference would be to big imo.
I think the best middle ground would be to make a camera speed option somewhere to adjust it as you pleased.The problem is since they are writing software for 2 diferent spec, is not as easy as it might seem.I have my hopes up they come up witha general fix for both , console(pad) and pc(m/k) lovers.
I am really glad they listened to our feedback and are fixing this.Lets see what they come up with.
What is so bad about the gamepad? Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console? The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package. Is it that you have to use your thumbs? And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad. It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad. We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI. This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard. On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro. I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.
This view point would only be valid if they ship the game with a game pad in a package. And why do you think most PC players choose to play on PCs in the first place? How about a reverse view on that. What if this game forced console users to get a usb mouse+keyboard setup to play with on console because the gamepad controls were so crappy? It is like reverse intolerance with some game pad supporters. It should be viable to play on both.
What is so bad about the gamepad? Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console? The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package. Is it that you have to use your thumbs? And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad. It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad. We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI. This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard. On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro. I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.
What is so bad about the gamepad? Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console? The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package. Is it that you have to use your thumbs? And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad. It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad. We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI. This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard. On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro. I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.
This view point would only be valid if they ship the game with a game pad in a package. And why do you think most PC players choose to play on PCs in the first place? How about a reverse view on that. What if this game forced console users to get a usb mouse+keyboard setup to play with on console because the gamepad controls were so crappy? It is like reverse intolerance with some game pad supporters. It should be viable to play on both.
While i agree with you, every MMO on console "forced" the users to buy a keyboard at the very least.Doesnt have to be becouse is crapy, but becouse is necesary.
edit;Shrugs, just reminded me i bought a stupid voice thingy for the WII to play MH3 and never got to use it D=.was imposible to type and play at same time on that game.Good game with crap controls btw.
To alders below , well yea,but is just to hard to type on that.Imposible in the middle of a fight.
What is so bad about the gamepad? Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console? The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package. Is it that you have to use your thumbs? And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad. It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad. We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI. This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard. On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro. I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.
yes but why must someone trying to pick up your game have to conform to your wishes? what if they SUCK with gamepads?
I don't think their asking you to need to use precision using the gamepad. It's not a platform game where you need the to be on point or you die. In a MMO it'd be really hard to suck with a gamepad. I've played lots of MMOs on the PC and it felt as natural as playing on a gamepad. Well, except cramped hands after playing a while.
I really don't get PC gamers that don't have a gamepad in their PC. It doesn't cost much more buying a decent gamepad than buying a decent mouse, neither it's any harder to install. And some games play much better with a gamepad than keyboard+mouse. Mostly action games ok, but it's really worth it.
Keyboard+mouse is actually office equipment. It's not a coincidence it's called "keyboard" instead of "gameboard"...
It's not about not having, as i'm more than sure everyone has a gamepad they can use. It's about having the option to choose which one we want to use.
I'm perfectly comfortable with a gamepad, but i'd prefer to use my n52te + naga.
Speaking of which, any news on phase 3 updates pertaining to this discussion?
I totally agree with u having the option to play with a Gamepad and/or Keyboard/Mouse is important that's why we all should thank SE for giving us the options unlike almost all other mmos which just doesn't wanna give us the option to use a Gamepad.
But most of u dont want the option do u?? All u want is Keyboard.Mouse controls to work better than Gamepad controls....that much for options lol
What is so bad about the gamepad? Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console? The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package. Is it that you have to use your thumbs? And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad. It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad. We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI. This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard. On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro. I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.
This view point would only be valid if they ship the game with a game pad in a package. And why do you think most PC players choose to play on PCs in the first place? How about a reverse view on that. What if this game forced console users to get a usb mouse+keyboard setup to play with on console because the gamepad controls were so crappy? It is like reverse intolerance with some game pad supporters. It should be viable to play on both.
It does. Console players have to go out and buy a keyboard. Do you know how hard it is to chat with the gamepad? That's why I say it's keyboard/ mouse and gamepad/keyboard or that lil keypad that fits on the gamepad. But that keypad sucks because of how you have to move your hands up to type. Hell, I tried to use this keyboard i'm using to play FFXI on PS2 to type on PS3 and it didn't work. I'll have to go out and get 1 that will work on PS3 now.
I really don't get PC gamers that don't have a gamepad in their PC. It doesn't cost much more buying a decent gamepad than buying a decent mouse, neither it's any harder to install. And some games play much better with a gamepad than keyboard+mouse. Mostly action games ok, but it's really worth it.
Keyboard+mouse is actually office equipment. It's not a coincidence it's called "keyboard" instead of "gameboard"...
It's not about not having, as i'm more than sure everyone has a gamepad they can use. It's about having the option to choose which one we want to use.
I'm perfectly comfortable with a gamepad, but i'd prefer to use my n52te + naga.
Speaking of which, any news on phase 3 updates pertaining to this discussion?
I totally agree with u having the option to play with a Gamepad and/or Keyboard/Mouse is important that's why we all should thank SE for giving us the options unlike almost all other mmos which just doesn't wanna give us the option to use a Gamepad.
But most of u dont want the option do u?? All u want is Keyboard.Mouse controls to work better than Gamepad controls....that much for options lol
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
Who exactly is lazy?
The employee's that want to lose their jobs?
Oh well, I guess in this kind of economy it doesn't matter if you lose your job or not or how the game ends up. The whole dev team is probably spending all those resources on booze, that just makes sense.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I really don't get PC gamers that don't have a gamepad in their PC. It doesn't cost much more buying a decent gamepad than buying a decent mouse, neither it's any harder to install. And some games play much better with a gamepad than keyboard+mouse. Mostly action games ok, but it's really worth it.
Keyboard+mouse is actually office equipment. It's not a coincidence it's called "keyboard" instead of "gameboard"...
It's not about not having, as i'm more than sure everyone has a gamepad they can use. It's about having the option to choose which one we want to use.
I'm perfectly comfortable with a gamepad, but i'd prefer to use my n52te + naga.
Speaking of which, any news on phase 3 updates pertaining to this discussion?
I totally agree with u having the option to play with a Gamepad and/or Keyboard/Mouse is important that's why we all should thank SE for giving us the options unlike almost all other mmos which just doesn't wanna give us the option to use a Gamepad.
But most of u dont want the option do u?? All u want is Keyboard.Mouse controls to work better than Gamepad controls....that much for options lol
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
Sorry but i had to laugh on the LAZY comment. Moreover game is still more than a month away from release. Why not wait and see instead of speculating right now?
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im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
So u r saying that the Company which offers u options is the Lazy one while the Company's which do not offer u a second method of Controls r not??
Hmmm honestly i do have a hard time seeing your point.
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
So u r saying that the Company which offers u options is the Lazy one while the Company's which do not offer u a second method of Controls r not??
Hmmm honestly i do have a hard time seeing your point.
its because its a trend they usually fallow, great gamepad controls and lacking K&M controls
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
So u r saying that the Company which offers u options is the Lazy one while the Company's which do not offer u a second method of Controls r not??
Hmmm honestly i do have a hard time seeing your point.
its because its a trend they usually fallow, great gamepad controls and lacking K&M controls
Still dont get your point at all sry.
SE does offer the option to play with Gamepad and also Keyboard/Mouse so there Gamepad works better than the Keyboard/Mouse doesn't matter u still can choose how u wanna play which is still more than all others let u do.
Keyboard/Mouse controls might not work perfect (or just as good as Gamepad which is the real issue for all u ppls anyway) but it still works way better than the Gamepad controls on all other MMOs.
I really don't get PC gamers that don't have a gamepad in their PC. It doesn't cost much more buying a decent gamepad than buying a decent mouse, neither it's any harder to install. And some games play much better with a gamepad than keyboard+mouse. Mostly action games ok, but it's really worth it.
Keyboard+mouse is actually office equipment. It's not a coincidence it's called "keyboard" instead of "gameboard"...
It's not about not having, as i'm more than sure everyone has a gamepad they can use. It's about having the option to choose which one we want to use.
I'm perfectly comfortable with a gamepad, but i'd prefer to use my n52te + naga.
Speaking of which, any news on phase 3 updates pertaining to this discussion?
I totally agree with u having the option to play with a Gamepad and/or Keyboard/Mouse is important that's why we all should thank SE for giving us the options unlike almost all other mmos which just doesn't wanna give us the option to use a Gamepad.
But most of u dont want the option do u?? All u want is Keyboard.Mouse controls to work better than Gamepad controls....that much for options lol
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
Sorry but i had to laugh on the LAZY comment. Moreover game is still more than a month away from release. Why not wait and see instead of speculating right now?
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
I really don't get PC gamers that don't have a gamepad in their PC. It doesn't cost much more buying a decent gamepad than buying a decent mouse, neither it's any harder to install. And some games play much better with a gamepad than keyboard+mouse. Mostly action games ok, but it's really worth it.
Keyboard+mouse is actually office equipment. It's not a coincidence it's called "keyboard" instead of "gameboard"...
It's not about not having, as i'm more than sure everyone has a gamepad they can use. It's about having the option to choose which one we want to use.
I'm perfectly comfortable with a gamepad, but i'd prefer to use my n52te + naga.
Speaking of which, any news on phase 3 updates pertaining to this discussion?
I totally agree with u having the option to play with a Gamepad and/or Keyboard/Mouse is important that's why we all should thank SE for giving us the options unlike almost all other mmos which just doesn't wanna give us the option to use a Gamepad.
But most of u dont want the option do u?? All u want is Keyboard.Mouse controls to work better than Gamepad controls....that much for options lol
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
Sorry but i had to laugh on the LAZY comment. Moreover game is still more than a month away from release. Why not wait and see instead of speculating right now?
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
What exactly do u mean by fix this??
You can play with keyboard already nothing is stopping u from doing so.
Or r u saying that the Keyboard/Mouse controls need to be better than the Gamepad?
Sure you can play with the keyboard and mouse, but in its current state, why bother? Mouse control is pretty much worthless, and keyboard configuration is virtually non existent. The keyboard mouse combo is supposed to be all about versatility and familiarity. The quicker SE realizes this, the better it'll be for them in the long run.
Gamepad is fine, I've played the last beta session with my 360 pad, but I would still much rather preffer my keyboard/mouse combo.
It's understandable, since they are coming to a new system. That's completely different. I wouldn't expect to have Playstation 3 games to utilize WASD + mouse controls.
There are a few different control schemes on the PC but the WASD + mouse is by far the most widespread and the most standardized control scheme. As far is there being a rule, did you ever see that "Games for Windows" crap on some game boxes?'
Are you implying that the "Games For Windows" dictates a specific control setup? I hope you're not.
FFXIV *will* have mouse and keyboard control. In fact, it already does. People are actually using it. What the real complaint seems to be is that it likely won't exactly the way it does in other games (WoW, LoTRO, etc).. thus my examples above. All those examples, minus the gamepad of course, involve the mouse and keyboard - they're just different applications of them. At the end of the day, it's *still* a mouse and keyboard setup.
People don't need to cope with anything. This is a video game, not a job. If SE wants to attract customers, it is up to them to make the game appealing.
I'm not talking about coping. I'm talking about - heaven forbid - giving a new system a chance before going all bat-shit nutty about it.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you own, or have owned, at least one console. On that console, did every game play exactly the same way? I mean, you're using the same gamepad for each game, right? Certainly each game had a different setup to play it, right? Buttons had different functions from one game to the next. Camera or movement controls were a bit different. Shoulder buttons served different purposes. Correct?
Now, did you throw down the gamepad each time a new game introduced a new control scheme, and say "Dammit I am *not* going to cope with this game requiring me to learn a new control/button layout! This is not a job!"?
I have a feeling you didn't.
I have a feeling that you - like most everyone else does - took the time, learned the new button layout, got comfortable with it, and played the game.
No different here. There's still mouse control. There's still keyboard control. They'll possibly just be utilized differently than other games utilize them, and might take a little of time to get used to. Big frigging deal.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Fact of the matter is SE "must" do nothing. Regardles they are going to make a profit off of this game and people will enjoy it. Now what they "are" doing is improving a feature that every one has asked for and said needed improving. So play with what ever control scheme YOU want! You can't even say that with most mmos.
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
What exactly do u mean by fix this??
You can play with keyboard already nothing is stopping u from doing so.
Or r u saying that the Keyboard/Mouse controls need to be better than the Gamepad?
Really just curious tho
I can answer that.
There are many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then "it's broken" and "needs to be fixed".
It's a form of ego masturbation that many people seem to partake in.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Ok I could sum up my entire point with your last line :
"" If SE wants to attract customers, it is up to them to make the game appealing ""
That statement will be after the fact, after millions had already paid for it. It will not have a florescent orange sticker telling them to go out and buy a game pad too !
The problem is that if they don't fix the controls, UN SUSPECTING people will find this game un desirable. And Most will disregard it, and waist their money. Have you ever been in a video game store and see a person or even a family reading the back of these games that you know are bad ?....Well I have, games like Champions Online, Vanguard, Age of Conan, the box is NOT GONNA SAY OUR GAME SUCKS. It will have all the fluff it can.
I'm not saying that they will not fix the controls, in fact I'm not sure how bad it really is now. I'm not in Bata...What I am saying is it must run good with a keyboard and mouse. ANYTHING ELSE IS UN ACCEPTABLE. Or millions will get screwed.
You people sticking up for anything less are selfish, and only thinking of yourself, and some others to make a community for yourself.
The difference between this post and all others post about the controls is that I'm saying they MUST fix them. I'm not talking about what I like and don't like, I'm talking about millions of others. That is why I say they MUST fix the controls.
So basicly your saying you heard that the game is unplayable with a keyboard/ mouse, and that millions wont be able TO PLAY becouse if they cant MOVE THE CAMERA with the mouse then the game sucks.Please....
Again, get your facts right, and read not only what you whant to , but what is given to you as well instead.
SE is not hiding anythin on fluff like you said , instead they already listened and already making the neccesary changes without changing to much their concept of the game, you dont listen well aparently when people tells you facts.At least as in what direction this problem is heading.
All you are doing is the tipical kid that asked for somethin and they said OK, but you go with the childish cry rolling on the floor , but but i whant it now , WAAAAAAAAAAAA,.
You know what, i hope they dont fix the mouse, they leave exactly as it is , so i dont have to play on the same game as lite kids that cry all over becouse then cant move a damn camera with a mouse , becouse , and gets your facts right , is the ONLY THIN that on beta stage 2 had problems with the K/M set up.
Sorry if i came in to harsh but honestly, I agree with you , is a small issue that should be fixed( even tought imo its NOT GAME BREAKER) . They are fixing it,now stfu.
I'm well aware that SE claims to be working on a better control scheme and I hope that they do an excellent job. In a sea of fanboys who will lap up anything SE is throwing at the, no matter how good or bad, I'm just voicing my support for the WASD + mouse controls and sharing my opinion on the message board. I'm just trying to stress the importance of a good keyboard and mouse control scheme.
BTW, I never said that the game sucks, you're putting words in my mouth. The point that I'm trying to stress is that without a good control scheme, the game will fail to retain players, regardless if the rest of the game is amazing, if people have to fight with the controls more than they have to fight monsters, they will go elsewhere.
I know that there are a lot of FFXI vets who are looking forward to this game and they are fine with that game's control scheme but the rest of us found it cumbersome and are hoping for something better. The optimal solution would be for numerous control schemes: WASD + mouse, keyboard, gamepad, etc. so that the players can choose the controls that appeal to them.
Are you implying that the "Games For Windows" dictates a specific control setup? I hope you're not.
Sorry, but not willing to go into detail and agrue every single point here. I don't think any agruing is going to convince anyone that SE needs to focus on making the game PC/keyboard friendly (which they appear to be making an effort to do so) if they are so deadset on defending them.
Games for Windows does have a specific control standard. Just like submitting games to Microsoft you have specific standards on the game before it can be released via XBLA or in stores. These include controller specific standards like the main action button usually being "A" and jump buttons being "X". There are other standards of course not related to controls like having a specific number of achievements and achievement points and the game being able to function without crashing when do various things (pressing the guide button at any point for example). I'm not sure what the exact standards for Games for Windows are, but I'm sure they are similar to Xbox games in order to get that seal.
It's really odd the controls are considered so bad. I attribute it mostly to the fact the Japanese keyboard is so different from the US one and they simply didn't port it over well. The UI is also menu driven because of a gamepad's limited buttons (which means simple actions you could normally in other MMOs you have to spend time shifting through menus in FFXI and possibly FFXIV) and revamping the UI entirely for the PC version would take a bit of effort and possibly even be unfair for those who plan to play it on the PS3 version since PC users would have a clear advantage of being able to do things faster. Using DirectX controls are one of the easier things to do in game programming and fluid controls aren't difficult at all - whether you do so for any controller or the keyboard/mouse or both.
Ok I could sum up my entire point with your last line :
"" If SE wants to attract customers, it is up to them to make the game appealing ""
That statement will be after the fact, after millions had already paid for it. It will not have a florescent orange sticker telling them to go out and buy a game pad too !
The problem is that if they don't fix the controls, UN SUSPECTING people will find this game un desirable. And Most will disregard it, and waist their money. Have you ever been in a video game store and see a person or even a family reading the back of these games that you know are bad ?....Well I have, games like Champions Online, Vanguard, Age of Conan, the box is NOT GONNA SAY OUR GAME SUCKS. It will have all the fluff it can.
I'm not saying that they will not fix the controls, in fact I'm not sure how bad it really is now. I'm not in Bata...What I am saying is it must run good with a keyboard and mouse. ANYTHING ELSE IS UN ACCEPTABLE. Or millions will get screwed.
You people sticking up for anything less are selfish, and only thinking of yourself, and some others to make a community for yourself.
The difference between this post and all others post about the controls is that I'm saying they MUST fix them. I'm not talking about what I like and don't like, I'm talking about millions of others. That is why I say they MUST fix the controls.
So basicly your saying you heard that the game is unplayable with a keyboard/ mouse, and that millions wont be able TO PLAY becouse if they cant MOVE THE CAMERA with the mouse then the game sucks.Please....
Again, get your facts right, and read not only what you whant to , but what is given to you as well instead.
SE is not hiding anythin on fluff like you said , instead they already listened and already making the neccesary changes without changing to much their concept of the game, you dont listen well aparently when people tells you facts.At least as in what direction this problem is heading.
All you are doing is the tipical kid that asked for somethin and they said OK, but you go with the childish cry rolling on the floor , but but i whant it now , WAAAAAAAAAAAA,.
You know what, i hope they dont fix the mouse, they leave exactly as it is , so i dont have to play on the same game as lite kids that cry all over becouse then cant move a damn camera with a mouse , becouse , and gets your facts right , is the ONLY THIN that on beta stage 2 had problems with the K/M set up.
Sorry if i came in to harsh but honestly, I agree with you , is a small issue that should be fixed( even tought imo its NOT GAME BREAKER) . They are fixing it,now stfu.
I'm well aware that SE claims to be working on a better control scheme and I hope that they do an excellent job. In a sea of fanboys who will lap up anything SE is throwing at the, no matter how good or bad, I'm just voicing my support for the WASD + mouse controls and sharing my opinion on the message board. I'm just trying to stress the importance of a good keyboard and mouse control scheme.
BTW, I never said that the game sucks, you're putting words in my mouth. The point that I'm trying to stress is that without a good control scheme, the game will fail to retain players, regardless if the rest of the game is amazing, if people have to fight with the controls more than they have to fight monsters, they will go elsewhere.
I know that there are a lot of FFXI vets who are looking forward to this game and they are fine with that game's control scheme but the rest of us found it cumbersome and are hoping for something better. The optimal solution would be for numerous control schemes: WASD + mouse, keyboard, gamepad, etc. so that the players can choose the controls that appeal to them.
i dont think the se fanboys are sayign the controls are sound there just not rolling on the floor crying like some people
Ok I could sum up my entire point with your last line :
"" If SE wants to attract customers, it is up to them to make the game appealing ""
That statement will be after the fact, after millions had already paid for it. It will not have a florescent orange sticker telling them to go out and buy a game pad too !
The problem is that if they don't fix the controls, UN SUSPECTING people will find this game un desirable. And Most will disregard it, and waist their money. Have you ever been in a video game store and see a person or even a family reading the back of these games that you know are bad ?....Well I have, games like Champions Online, Vanguard, Age of Conan, the box is NOT GONNA SAY OUR GAME SUCKS. It will have all the fluff it can.
I'm not saying that they will not fix the controls, in fact I'm not sure how bad it really is now. I'm not in Bata...What I am saying is it must run good with a keyboard and mouse. ANYTHING ELSE IS UN ACCEPTABLE. Or millions will get screwed.
You people sticking up for anything less are selfish, and only thinking of yourself, and some others to make a community for yourself.
The difference between this post and all others post about the controls is that I'm saying they MUST fix them. I'm not talking about what I like and don't like, I'm talking about millions of others. That is why I say they MUST fix the controls.
So basicly your saying you heard that the game is unplayable with a keyboard/ mouse, and that millions wont be able TO PLAY becouse if they cant MOVE THE CAMERA with the mouse then the game sucks.Please....
Again, get your facts right, and read not only what you whant to , but what is given to you as well instead.
SE is not hiding anythin on fluff like you said , instead they already listened and already making the neccesary changes without changing to much their concept of the game, you dont listen well aparently when people tells you facts.At least as in what direction this problem is heading.
All you are doing is the tipical kid that asked for somethin and they said OK, but you go with the childish cry rolling on the floor , but but i whant it now , WAAAAAAAAAAAA,.
You know what, i hope they dont fix the mouse, they leave exactly as it is , so i dont have to play on the same game as lite kids that cry all over becouse then cant move a damn camera with a mouse , becouse , and gets your facts right , is the ONLY THIN that on beta stage 2 had problems with the K/M set up.
Sorry if i came in to harsh but honestly, I agree with you , is a small issue that should be fixed( even tought imo its NOT GAME BREAKER) . They are fixing it,now stfu.
I'm well aware that SE claims to be working on a better control scheme and I hope that they do an excellent job. In a sea of fanboys who will lap up anything SE is throwing at the, no matter how good or bad, I'm just voicing my support for the WASD + mouse controls and sharing my opinion on the message board. I'm just trying to stress the importance of a good keyboard and mouse control scheme.
BTW, I never said that the game sucks, you're putting words in my mouth. The point that I'm trying to stress is that without a good control scheme, the game will fail to retain players, regardless if the rest of the game is amazing, if people have to fight with the controls more than they have to fight monsters, they will go elsewhere.
I know that there are a lot of FFXI vets who are looking forward to this game and they are fine with that game's control scheme but the rest of us found it cumbersome and are hoping for something better. The optimal solution would be for numerous control schemes: WASD + mouse, keyboard, gamepad, etc. so that the players can choose the controls that appeal to them.
i dont think the se fanboys are sayign the controls are sound there just not rolling on the floor crying like some people
Yes, because if you voice your concern over something, you're obviously crying.
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
What exactly do u mean by fix this??
You can play with keyboard already nothing is stopping u from doing so.
Or r u saying that the Keyboard/Mouse controls need to be better than the Gamepad?
Really just curious tho
I can answer that.
There are many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then "it's broken" and "needs to be fixed".
It's a form of ego masturbation that many people seem to partake in.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.
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This is somethin everyone can agree on.I think the main problem was they literally moved the way the ps camera moved over to the mouse camera movement , and is why it feels slow.
The problem with this is if they leave console camera movement as it is, then the gameplay diference would be to big imo.
I think the best middle ground would be to make a camera speed option somewhere to adjust it as you pleased.The problem is since they are writing software for 2 diferent spec, is not as easy as it might seem.I have my hopes up they come up witha general fix for both , console(pad) and pc(m/k) lovers.
I am really glad they listened to our feedback and are fixing this.Lets see what they come up with.
This view point would only be valid if they ship the game with a game pad in a package. And why do you think most PC players choose to play on PCs in the first place? How about a reverse view on that. What if this game forced console users to get a usb mouse+keyboard setup to play with on console because the gamepad controls were so crappy? It is like reverse intolerance with some game pad supporters. It should be viable to play on both.
Read the post before yours.
While i agree with you, every MMO on console "forced" the users to buy a keyboard at the very least.Doesnt have to be becouse is crapy, but becouse is necesary.
edit;Shrugs, just reminded me i bought a stupid voice thingy for the WII to play MH3 and never got to use it D=.was imposible to type and play at same time on that game.Good game with crap controls btw.
To alders below , well yea,but is just to hard to type on that.Imposible in the middle of a fight.
That's not true. If i can recall, you can type with a gamepad using the onscreen KB in FFXI.
Of course it takes forever.
I don't think their asking you to need to use precision using the gamepad. It's not a platform game where you need the to be on point or you die. In a MMO it'd be really hard to suck with a gamepad. I've played lots of MMOs on the PC and it felt as natural as playing on a gamepad. Well, except cramped hands after playing a while.
I totally agree with u having the option to play with a Gamepad and/or Keyboard/Mouse is important that's why we all should thank SE for giving us the options unlike almost all other mmos which just doesn't wanna give us the option to use a Gamepad.
But most of u dont want the option do u?? All u want is Keyboard.Mouse controls to work better than Gamepad controls....that much for options lol
It does. Console players have to go out and buy a keyboard. Do you know how hard it is to chat with the gamepad? That's why I say it's keyboard/ mouse and gamepad/keyboard or that lil keypad that fits on the gamepad. But that keypad sucks because of how you have to move your hands up to type. Hell, I tried to use this keyboard i'm using to play FFXI on PS2 to type on PS3 and it didn't work. I'll have to go out and get 1 that will work on PS3 now.
im sorry but in a way its lazy on their part, with most their pc ported games they make gamepads the best way to play. its not because hey want us to have choice, its that its already coded for gamepads
Who exactly is lazy?
The employee's that want to lose their jobs?
Oh well, I guess in this kind of economy it doesn't matter if you lose your job or not or how the game ends up. The whole dev team is probably spending all those resources on booze, that just makes sense.
Sorry but i had to laugh on the LAZY comment. Moreover game is still more than a month away from release. Why not wait and see instead of speculating right now?
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So u r saying that the Company which offers u options is the Lazy one while the Company's which do not offer u a second method of Controls r not??
Hmmm honestly i do have a hard time seeing your point.
its because its a trend they usually fallow, great gamepad controls and lacking K&M controls
Still dont get your point at all sry.
SE does offer the option to play with Gamepad and also Keyboard/Mouse so there Gamepad works better than the Keyboard/Mouse doesn't matter u still can choose how u wanna play which is still more than all others let u do.
Keyboard/Mouse controls might not work perfect (or just as good as Gamepad which is the real issue for all u ppls anyway) but it still works way better than the Gamepad controls on all other MMOs.
Thats what i am doing cancelled my preorder to wait and see how they fix this.
For ME if it is gamepad i will pass on the game which is to bad i would like to try this game but it wont be the end of the world anyway i will have Rift to check out.
What exactly do u mean by fix this??
You can play with keyboard already nothing is stopping u from doing so.
Or r u saying that the Keyboard/Mouse controls need to be better than the Gamepad?
Really just curious tho
Sure you can play with the keyboard and mouse, but in its current state, why bother? Mouse control is pretty much worthless, and keyboard configuration is virtually non existent. The keyboard mouse combo is supposed to be all about versatility and familiarity. The quicker SE realizes this, the better it'll be for them in the long run.
Gamepad is fine, I've played the last beta session with my 360 pad, but I would still much rather preffer my keyboard/mouse combo.
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Fact of the matter is SE "must" do nothing. Regardles they are going to make a profit off of this game and people will enjoy it. Now what they "are" doing is improving a feature that every one has asked for and said needed improving. So play with what ever control scheme YOU want! You can't even say that with most mmos.
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I can answer that.
There are many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then "it's broken" and "needs to be fixed".
It's a form of ego masturbation that many people seem to partake in.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I'm well aware that SE claims to be working on a better control scheme and I hope that they do an excellent job. In a sea of fanboys who will lap up anything SE is throwing at the, no matter how good or bad, I'm just voicing my support for the WASD + mouse controls and sharing my opinion on the message board. I'm just trying to stress the importance of a good keyboard and mouse control scheme.
BTW, I never said that the game sucks, you're putting words in my mouth. The point that I'm trying to stress is that without a good control scheme, the game will fail to retain players, regardless if the rest of the game is amazing, if people have to fight with the controls more than they have to fight monsters, they will go elsewhere.
I know that there are a lot of FFXI vets who are looking forward to this game and they are fine with that game's control scheme but the rest of us found it cumbersome and are hoping for something better. The optimal solution would be for numerous control schemes: WASD + mouse, keyboard, gamepad, etc. so that the players can choose the controls that appeal to them.
Sorry, but not willing to go into detail and agrue every single point here. I don't think any agruing is going to convince anyone that SE needs to focus on making the game PC/keyboard friendly (which they appear to be making an effort to do so) if they are so deadset on defending them.
Games for Windows does have a specific control standard. Just like submitting games to Microsoft you have specific standards on the game before it can be released via XBLA or in stores. These include controller specific standards like the main action button usually being "A" and jump buttons being "X". There are other standards of course not related to controls like having a specific number of achievements and achievement points and the game being able to function without crashing when do various things (pressing the guide button at any point for example). I'm not sure what the exact standards for Games for Windows are, but I'm sure they are similar to Xbox games in order to get that seal.
It's really odd the controls are considered so bad. I attribute it mostly to the fact the Japanese keyboard is so different from the US one and they simply didn't port it over well. The UI is also menu driven because of a gamepad's limited buttons (which means simple actions you could normally in other MMOs you have to spend time shifting through menus in FFXI and possibly FFXIV) and revamping the UI entirely for the PC version would take a bit of effort and possibly even be unfair for those who plan to play it on the PS3 version since PC users would have a clear advantage of being able to do things faster. Using DirectX controls are one of the easier things to do in game programming and fluid controls aren't difficult at all - whether you do so for any controller or the keyboard/mouse or both.
i dont think the se fanboys are sayign the controls are sound there just not rolling on the floor crying like some people
Yes, because if you voice your concern over something, you're obviously crying.
" The many people who seem to believe that if they don't like something, then it is broken " that you are referring to are the ones that payed for FF11, and tossed it in the garbage can soon after loading it. Final Fantasy 11 was a disaster for ALMOST EVERYONE with the controls, thats a fact, thousands of people feel they got riped off. Don't even bother asking me to prove the numbers, because I'm not. Both all of you and I know this.
It's very very easy to assume that FF XIV will be the same or at the very least something to note before purchase. They never made any real attempt to fix the controls in all the years FF11 was on the market, so yes people can assume. You do understand that assuming using history of a product can be real right ? After all, many here are expecting problems with the controls, because of SE's history.
Nothing like five fans sitting here putting out fires. You fans are not really the majority here, the same five fans are covering every topic like a dog covering his food bowl. We had seen it with the pre release of Vanguard, then the pre release of AoC.
Why am I here. Well I hate scams. Is FF14 a scam ? We don't know yet, I'm guessing not. Was FF11 a scam " yes " Millions of dollars were waisted to please a few.