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This is the problem with you fanbois, you CHOOSE the things to reply to and ignore the rest and take the things you do reply to out of context for convenience. I have no hate for ToR. I do not completely dislike this game as it isn't even out yet and much can still change. Yet, I am critical of the info and actual gameplay videos released.
I'm gonna take you for what you come off as, a moron. Look, you've given me nothing to prove. What has BioWare claimed and not shown or talked about in depth, they haven't talked about Endgame or shown it, what else? I find it ironic that you're GW2 cheering ass (In the wrong forums I'll add) is here talking about fanboism. GG, moron. I have no reason to convince you, I'm offering you information, if you don't like it take your ass back to the GW2 forums. Christ, you can't be this ignorant, can you?...Oh right, mmorpg.com, it's notorious for your type.
Edit: Actually use that brain, learn to research, there are plenty of LEAKED videos that show recent gameplay and map exploration. Or do you need to be spoon fed like the rest?
Cyphers, you should really try to turn of your raging fanboi defense mechanism that is now jumping on people who don't even say anything negative about the game itself. Like it said, their isn't much gameplay proof of most of Bioware's claims that this game is a full blown MMO with features like crafting, exploring, end game etc. Yes they said its there, but they havn't showed us yet. I have actually read about a lot of the demo sessions, and really would like to kno what you want me to find in them as I clearly missed something. Also you clearly misread me as I never claimed it was a SRPG, I merely stated that a lot of people seem to THINK this. Why do people think this? Because they havn't seen anything that proves the oposite that is why. Again I am not saying anythign negative about the game itself, I am posting in the context of the OP. I am just saying that Bioware hasn't shown everything yet, so I will still resereved about this game untill they do. I see the rational possiblity of Bioware not delivering on their claims like mythic did with WaR. That game made me very critical and made me hold back on high expectations for other new games.
I wouldn't go that far Kriosis, the problem with impiro is that he looked over the thread, but he didn't bother to track down the links at the bottom to view the information. Anyone with any genuine interest would take 5 minutes to type in something like SWTOR Gameplay into a site we call YouTube, maybe even sort by date and look at the most recent ones. Theres more then enough information out there, but those that want to downplay TOR like to be kept in the dark, and give no quarter on any gameplay features, new, improved, or otherwise. The basic stance is "We are not impressed".
Lets not bother with trying to police these kinds of people. We cannot change their opinion, just point out their misinformation.
GW2 hasn't shown crafting, exploring or end game either. Should we be asking for proof?
SWTOR has shown players playing together and grouping from level 2 onward in the newest videos, showing everyone in the open world. We've also seen maps of the entire world, and have had first hand accounts of how long it took to travel from one end of the map to the other on the smallest worlds, which still took roughly an hour.
No game will show us "everything" until we play it on release. There will always be something we will not see until we play it, and in the case of TOR even after playing it there will be plenty of content we may never get to see due to our choices and play style.
I see this possibilty being much less similar as everything BioWare claims they have released as far as information, is on items that are already in the current build of the game. Anet says the same thing with their game. If we call one a liar, why should we believe any of them?
Ignorance is bliss. It's a quality for them, stay ignorant and you can never be wrong because you will never know if you're right.
I hate resorting to insults, but damn, I'm gonna start using this fancy little ignore list.
Thank you for proving my point, as it is clear you missed it entirely. Maybe you should reread our entire conversation again and see what it was REALLY about. I do not see what my GW2 cheering ass has to do with any of it at all. I have only said that GW2 has hype because it has a lot of gameplay videos showing the game's main features and ToR hasn't. You are very angry with me clearly and you can't seem to give a good response to my response, while I replied to all the things you said to me in detail.
I feel like I'm being trolled, almost like you're deliberately trying to piss me off.
I just can't figure it out. Why do people here get so bent out of shape over an online video game. Some people like WoW, some people do not like it. Some people like Eve , some people do not like it.
Say what you do or do not like about a game and just move on. I could name some things I don't like about TOR , and some things I do like about it, and at the end of the day I am still going to play that game, regardless of what somebody else thinks.
I have some questions I would like to ask about gw2. Looks like a good game, seems like something I might like to play, but still I want to play the beta and get a feel for this game. I will probably be buying it aswell.
If you don't like the way TOR looks that is your opinion. Just say what you have and move on, no sense in arguing with people , because the funny thing is , we all like diferent things.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Yeah, you were another one of those that had high expectations and was thoroughly disappointed with a former game, leading now to the opposite reaction, namely distrusting anything that's being said and shown that sounds too positive.
Good for you. I mean it, you should be extra wary and hold your expectations if you know of yourself that you're easily swayed or misled by hype.
Anyway, that's it for me: you'll believe whatever you like to believe in taking your past into account and I'll believe what I like to believe in taking my own experiences and research into account, and we'll see how things will be for real closer to launch and past it. Live and let live, agree to disagree and all that stuff.
/back to OP topic again I guess.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I like the colors you used....but really you don;t need to defend ToR as I am not attacking it. If anything I would be attacking Bioware for not giving the info. GW2 has in fact shown the claims Anet made. ToR hasn't done that for Bioware imo. Crafting etc was just an example. fact remains that Bioware claimed it was a full mmo and I am only talking about the posibillity that Bioware can not deliver on these promises. If you took the time to read in on the OP, the blog claimed that Bioware had nothing to show for except VO. I am keeping this possibility in mind as it sorta happened with WAR and mythic. What is wrong with me doing so? Like I said I not understand the responses I am getting as they are out of context and seem focussed on proving me wrong on the judgements I have for this game, while in reality I am not even talking about what I think about this game.
Well that settles it
I think you misunderstand me, I'm not defending TOR, I'm posting corrections on your views. You said BioWare hasn't shown Crafting, End Game, or Exploring, but you still go on to say Arenanet has shown what they claim - yet we haven't seen these things from Anet and GW2 yet. This must have been a faux pas on your end, as you must be mistaken to hold one accountable and the other one not. Correct? This isn't an opinion, these are facts on what has or has not been shown.
BioWare claims the game is a full MMO, yet the only things they've shown are - full grouping, an open world with players running around inside it, PvP, multiple facets of multiplayer gameplay, and large explorable worlds. The original Blog knows very little about what is actually happening on BioWares end. The "employee" didn't work for BioWare, didn't play the game, and obviously doesn't pay attention to the information because if I were to tell you from my standpoint on what BioWare puts MOST of their emphasis on ... its STORY... NOT Voiceovers.
Most people aren't trying to change your opinions, but they are voicing theirs. I am doing neither, not voicing my opinion or trying to change yours. I am letting you know that what you are choosing to take an opinion on and what is actually factually being shown are two different things. We HAVE seen multiplayer gameplay. We HAVE seen the open worlds with multiple players running around. We have NOT seen crafting, we have NOT seen extensive exploring, and we have NOT seen much on End Game. This isn't just for TOR... we haven't seen it for GW2, or RIFT, or TSW.
What we do see are many hypocrites that take double standards. If you don't like the game, don't like the game, but don't try and discredit what has already been shown by saying it hasn't been shown.
The blogger already mentioned that he knew nothing that was going on with TOR and it was an opinion.
I can see right through you and your trolling attempts. Any person that is even a little interested in TOR can find all the info that is needed to make somewhat of a choice to want to play the game or not.
Even though Bioware has been tight lipped on the full details about crafting and end game content, they have shown much more gamplay than Anet has so far.
It's kinda funny that Anet can get asked the same questions that people ask Bioware and they get a pass when the answer is, we can't talk about that yet, while Bioware gets nothing but hate while doing the same.
GW2 looks ok, but there is no detailed info on crafting pvp or end game content. How does that differ from what bioware is doing with TOR.
I am sorry? Really look at your'e prvious post, It was very offensive and hostile. I didn't mean to piss you of at all. You still refuse to got to the context of my original post. You only took a little out of the post and then used that to bash me.
David is right on the money. Disgruntled ex employees for another project are not the best source of information.
Maskedweasel really that was low especially considering you are aproving of the behavior of Kriosis which is offensive and out of line. Also the things is that still my point isn't really false at all. Again you people asume that when I say that there is no proof of something, that I automaticly think the oposite. I never did that in any of my posts at all. All i was talking about was hype of GW2 and ToR and how I felt that GW2 deserved more hype because it had more actual footage. That doesnt even say I like GW2 better and ToR less. You peopel read what you want and that is what I pointed out to Kriosis......
In orangy
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I'm going to display the lack of clarity in your post.
"ToR on the other hand. has at this moment close to nothing to show for the things Bioware claimes it to be."
Next time clarify. Eventually you do.
"Let me explain myself a little better at least. People worried about the MMO aspects of ToR and BIoware replied to them that they didnt have to worry as ToR was going to have all features a normal MMO would have. So ye that is was I'm talking about kind of."
Why do I feel like I'm being trolled? I gave you PLENTY of info to read into, but you've either refused to read it or just ignored most of what was said. Like I said, I'm not trying to convince you, I don't know you and could care less if you play the game.
We all just get very tired of rehashing information over and over again when it comes to TOR. Many people have a specific view on the game, and voicing their opinions isn't necessarily a problem, but some 'opinions' are in direct contrast to what is being seen, and these 'opinions' are often mistaken as fact by others that can not tell the difference.
I usually don't post links that have already been posted elsewhere plenty of times, and as these links can also be found in the large thread Kriosis linked earlier, I really shouldn't as it means more when interested parties look for this information themselves, but I will post a few here.
Heres one of the multiplayer demos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G18ZHWEfiNw
Here is just one instance of a player running around and you also see other players running around too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y7yZYEvpf0
and last but not least a listing of lots of videos to further your interest if you'd like.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=SWTOR+gameplay&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&suggested_categories=20&page=2
I think you'll find plenty of nice videos. I didn't want to post too many because I also saw some videos I haven't seen before and I didn't want to post them in fear they may be leaked vids.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you don't like the game because of what you've already seen, thats fine, but I think its a travesty to not like a game based on what you haven't seen, or what hasn't been shown yet. Especially when you hold other games to a different standard. I'm not necessarily saying that YOU, Impiro does this, but I'm saying many people do, and although they can do whatever they want to do, I there will always be those that try to correct this kind of thought process. Hence why we have so many clashes on this site.
I rather believe the blog than some clown like Paul Barnet who hyped up warhammer with 90% false info that didnt even exist in the game.
and u know its true b/c no EA has come out and defend themselve yet.
I doubt he agreed with my insulting, he doesn't seem like that type. I think he agreed more with you ignoring information and/or not actually looking into it. You can argue that you're not against or with TOR all you want, fact is you're in the TOR boards and wasn't here until GW2 was mentioned. Btw, you've already admitted to not looking into TOR for months, you couldn't even recall your last look at the game properly.