By the time WoW did this, it was possible to obtain a mount with an hour of gameplay on a fresh account. It would of been completely different having a cash shop with a mount on release.
Which AAA MMO released post-WoW hasn't got F2P in some form? It's naive to thing ESO will stay Sub-Only. They are about maximizing short term profits it seems, which leads me to believe they are planning on doing what SWTOR did when the sub model is no longer the most profitable option. Selling cash shop mounts on day 1 does not bode well for the future.
Worth noting, if this horse is like the imperial horse(which they indicate it is) -- it is inferior to the good horses bought in game with in game currency.
It will have lower max level stats than those horses bought from the in-game stable for ~40k.
now on to more slippery slope arguments!
Ill just buy the horse, I already have the white horse. So I save about 40k by using the CS. With those savings Ill get the Light horse with better stats faster than those that dont use the CS.
For anyone who is considering cancelling because of this, do it. Don't dwell on it, just go do it and move on in your life.
If this bothers you or if you disagree with it, cancel your pre-order/do not buy this game.
Vote with your wallet. It is the only logical thing to do.
Judging by your post history you are just a TESO hater coming into this thread to fan flames.
Just trying to give advice that people always seem to overlook.
It is completely understandable for people to be upset over this when they said there would be no Cash Shop. By buying the game/keeping your pre-order you are supporting this action.
For anyone who is considering cancelling because of this, do it. Don't dwell on it, just go do it and move on in your life.
If this bothers you or if you disagree with it, cancel your pre-order/do not buy this game.
Vote with your wallet. It is the only logical thing to do.
Judging by your post history you are just a TESO hater coming into this thread to fan flames.
Just trying to give advice that people always seem to overlook.
It is completely understandable for people to be upset over this when they said there would be no Cash Shop. By buying the game/keeping your pre-order you are supporting this action.
If it doesn't bother you, then no worries.
Seems to be a complete waste of time to spend so much time in the forums of a game you dislike so much trying to convince people not to buy it lol.
By the time WoW did this, it was possible to obtain a mount with an hour of gameplay on a fresh account. It would of been completely different having a cash shop with a mount on release.
Which AAA MMO released post-WoW hasn't got F2P in some form? It's naive to thing ESO will stay Sub-Only. They are about maximizing short term profits it seems, which leads me to believe they are planning on doing what SWTOR did when the sub model is no longer the most profitable option. Selling cash shop mounts on day 1 does not bode well for the future.
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No, that one just had to shut down and go back to the drawing board.
Ill just buy the horse, I already have the white horse. So I save about 40k by using the CS. With those savings Ill get the Light horse with better stats faster than those that dont use the CS.
Slope slippery enough?
I don't get what you're saying.
How do you save 40k? If you want a good horse you have to pay 42k whether you use the cash shop or not.
They indicated this palomino was a starter horse, like the common horse or imperial horse, which cost 17k and 1 respectively.
So you'll only "save" 17k buying the cash shop horse. And in the end your savings will net you a horse inferior to mine because I will buy a good one for 40k.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse. Price: 1 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: White
Common Horse Info: Skip this horse if you can, and save your money for more expensive one. Price: 17,200 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: Dark brown
Light horse Info: Optimized for speed, useful for short distances. Price: 42,700 gold Speed: 25% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: Light brown, black mane
Note the Light horse is 10% faster and will always have 10 more stat points than the starter horses. As they said "two items: the ability to upgrade to the Imperial Edition, and an entry level horse (Palomino colored). The horse you get in both purchases is functionally the same"
This indicates there is no way to buy a Ligh Horse from the cash shop does it not?
For anyone who is considering cancelling because of this, do it. Don't dwell on it, just go do it and move on in your life.
If this bothers you or if you disagree with it, cancel your pre-order/do not buy this game.
Vote with your wallet. It is the only logical thing to do.
Judging by your post history you are just a TESO hater coming into this thread to fan flames.
Just trying to give advice that people always seem to overlook.
It is completely understandable for people to be upset over this when they said there would be no Cash Shop. By buying the game/keeping your pre-order you are supporting this action.
If it doesn't bother you, then no worries.
Seems to be a complete waste of time to spend so much time in the forums of a game you dislike so much trying to convince people not to buy it lol.
Blizzard employee?
That is the stupidest thing I've heard in awhile. Relax, I'm not attacking you or anyone else who really wants to play the game.
I'm just strongly against companies doing a 180 like this. Even though it was completely obvious that they would start to introduce an item shop so they can go F2P does not mean it is ok.
And before you yell "wow did it too!", let me say 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Just wanted to point out, this isn't an issue of right and wrong. It's an issue about video games.
Would it be better if I worded it for you this way Mr. Knit Picky?
2 ethically questionable business practice decisions from video game companies does not equal an ethically sound/moral business practice decision from a video game company.
And whats so "ethically" wrong with what this business is doing? I think his point was its a video game and a service. How they charge you to use that service isnt right or wrong in an ethical sense.
Worth noting, if this horse is like the imperial horse(which they indicate it is) -- it is inferior to the good horses bought in game with in game currency.
It will have lower max level stats than those horses bought from the in-game stable for ~40k.
now on to more slippery slope arguments!
That's a fine point IF this was a free to play game.
Just because you can get a better item in game by not paying doesn't fly for a Pay-to-Play, subscription-Based game. And don't get me started on the grey area that's locking a race with unique mechanical properties behind an additional $20 dollar payment.
Again, all stuff that flies in a F2P game... but I'm not paying a dime to a company that looks at my $60, demands a monthly fee of $15 bucks... but is still going to lock mechanical content behind yet an additional pay wall. Sorry, that's still a deal breaker.
Originally posted by thunderC Very dissapointing news.The whole purpose of a sub is so you dont have to be nickel & dimed through the cash shop and dont even mention what WOW has or doesnt have, Blizzard is a whole other BEAST that no game or company should be compared to, Its just different.
No, the purpose of the sub is so the company gets a certain minimum amount of money per customer per month. Revenue models are designed for the company, not for the customer.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Having a horse helps a lot. The pve quests have you running all over the place. It helps in pvp as well because the map is big and when you die you could have a long walk back. Making gold outside of exploits isn't that easy. You can make gold in pvp, but I wouldn't be surprised if that gets a nerf.
Gold is used for a lot of things, so its not like you can just save up for a horse and buy nothing else.
They are going to add more things to the cash shop. They have shown they want cash now and they want a lot. In this next beta you can play any race/any faction. Why do you think they would do that when its locked once the game starts? To sell more pre-purchases. Why sell a horse? because its useful and for a lot of people it will take a little time/effort to get one in game, so people will buy it. They aren't doing us a favor by offering it. They expect to make money from it.
All this over a horse. Wait till the xp potions come out.
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Originally posted by Knotwood One question.... what the price of this horse. It might be worth it to cancel the pre order CE edition now and get a standard.
I doubt it would be $20 or $5, so $10? But I wouldn't be shocked if it was $20.
Originally posted by thunderCVery dissapointing news.The whole purpose of a sub is so you dont have to be nickel & dimed through the cash shop and dont even mention what WOW has or doesnt have, Blizzard is a whole other BEAST that no game or company should be compared to, Its just different.
No, the purpose of the sub is so the company gets a certain minimum amount of money per customer per month. Revenue models are designed for the company, not for the customer.
Agreed... It's funny what ppl come up with to justify their outrage.
Ill just buy the horse, I already have the white horse. So I save about 40k by using the CS. With those savings Ill get the Light horse with better stats faster than those that dont use the CS.
Slope slippery enough?
I don't get what you're saying.
How do you save 40k? If you want a good horse you have to pay 42k whether you use the cash shop or not.
They indicated this palomino was a starter horse, like the common horse or imperial horse, which cost 17k and 1 respectively.
So you'll only "save" 17k buying the cash shop horse. And in the end your savings will net you a horse inferior to mine because I will buy a good one for 40k.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse. Price: 1 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: White
Common Horse Info: Skip this horse if you can, and save your money for more expensive one. Price: 17,200 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: Dark brown
Light horse Info: Optimized for speed, useful for short distances. Price: 42,700 gold Speed: 25% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: Light brown, black mane
Note the Light horse is 10% faster and will always have 10 more stat points than the starter horses. As they said "two items: the ability to upgrade to the Imperial Edition, and an entry level horse (Palomino colored). The horse you get in both purchases is functionally the same"
This indicates there is no way to buy a Ligh Horse from the cash shop does it not?
Ill have the white horse as my mule, the palomino Ill train for speed. Ill have speed and a pack mule before those that do not use the CS. Ill roll that into my savings and get the Light horse with my savings.
The palomino will never have max speed of the light horse, true. Ill just have a faster horse than those that do not use the CS at launch.
On another note. Whats goin to keep them from selling the Light horse on the Cash Shop? This could be the first step in them testing the waters to see how far they can get away with.
you guys bitch about Imperial getting a free horse
you guys bitch when they add a horse you can buy rather then spending 17k as an option for standard edition purchasers, cheaper than upgrading to the Imperial
you guys bitch that you dont have to buy it, but its not fair
you guys just like to bitch. Dont play the game, dont buy the horse, dont do anything
Ill just buy the horse, I already have the white horse. So I save about 40k by using the CS. With those savings Ill get the Light horse with better stats faster than those that dont use the CS.
Slope slippery enough?
I don't get what you're saying.
How do you save 40k? If you want a good horse you have to pay 42k whether you use the cash shop or not.
They indicated this palomino was a starter horse, like the common horse or imperial horse, which cost 17k and 1 respectively.
So you'll only "save" 17k buying the cash shop horse. And in the end your savings will net you a horse inferior to mine because I will buy a good one for 40k.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse. Price: 1 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: White
Common Horse Info: Skip this horse if you can, and save your money for more expensive one. Price: 17,200 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: Dark brown
Light horse Info: Optimized for speed, useful for short distances. Price: 42,700 gold Speed: 25% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: Light brown, black mane
Note the Light horse is 10% faster and will always have 10 more stat points than the starter horses. As they said "two items: the ability to upgrade to the Imperial Edition, and an entry level horse (Palomino colored). The horse you get in both purchases is functionally the same"
This indicates there is no way to buy a Ligh Horse from the cash shop does it not?
Ill have the white horse as my mule, the palomino Ill train for speed. Ill have speed and a pack mule before those that do not use the CS. Ill roll that into my savings and get the Light horse with my savings.
The palomino will never have max speed of the light horse, true. Ill just have a faster horse than those that do not use the CS at launch.
On another note. Whats goin to keep them from selling the Light horse on the Cash Shop? This could be the first step in them testing the waters to see how far they can get away with.
I hope they do, I am perfectly fine with a sub+convenience items (not p2w), if I feel that I dont have the patience to grind out 42000 gold, I have no problem spending 10$ to save me time
Originally posted by Octagon7711 All this over a horse. Wait till the xp potions come out.
I won't be run down in PvP by someone who opened their wallet and drank an EXP Potion. I will be run down by someone who bought a horse though. At least until I'm high enough level to afford a good horse.
IMHO, you don't get to charge $60, plus a $15 a month fee and then have a cash shop that sells mechanical, gameplay advantages... no matter how small. I would never buy a game that does that.
This company is playing a very dangerous game trying the subscription model in 2014. They don't need to up the ante by also giving mechanical edges to people who buy extra stuff.
you guys bitch about Imperial getting a free horse
you guys bitch when they add a horse you can buy rather then spending 17k as an option for standard edition purchasers, cheaper than upgrading to the Imperial
you guys bitch that you dont have to buy it, but its not fair
you guys just like to bitch. Dont play the game, dont buy the horse, dont do anything
DO QUIT THE BITCHING ABOUT EVERYTHING
The solution to people bitching about the Imperial horse was, "Heres a cheaper horse you can buy?"
The solution would have been to make the in game horse cheaper. Not sell another horse for real money. lol
Ill have the white horse as my mule, the palomino Ill train for speed. Ill have speed and a pack mule before those that do not use the CS. Ill roll that into my savings and get the Light horse with my savings.
You're still wasting money.
If you have access to the white imperial horse why not just buy 2 imperial horses?
cash shop arguments don't phase me. i don't care if they add a full blown Pay-To-Win cash shop. If they do we'll all just play something else, they'll go under, and this old world will still be spinning.
Originally posted by Knotwood One question.... what the price of this horse. It might be worth it to cancel the pre order CE edition now and get a standard.
I doubt it would be $20 or $5, so $10? But I wouldn't be shocked if it was $20.
It will cost at least 600$ cause the purpose is to make ppl with less money more jeallous!!!
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Ill just buy the horse, I already have the white horse. So I save about 40k by using the CS. With those savings Ill get the Light horse with better stats faster than those that dont use the CS.
Slope slippery enough?
Just trying to give advice that people always seem to overlook.
It is completely understandable for people to be upset over this when they said there would be no Cash Shop. By buying the game/keeping your pre-order you are supporting this action.
If it doesn't bother you, then no worries.
Seems to be a complete waste of time to spend so much time in the forums of a game you dislike so much trying to convince people not to buy it lol.
Blizzard employee?
Really who cares? Dont use the cash shop or play the game for that matter .
Or play the game for what it is and be happy.
No, that one just had to shut down and go back to the drawing board.
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I don't get what you're saying.
How do you save 40k? If you want a good horse you have to pay 42k whether you use the cash shop or not.
They indicated this palomino was a starter horse, like the common horse or imperial horse, which cost 17k and 1 respectively.
So you'll only "save" 17k buying the cash shop horse. And in the end your savings will net you a horse inferior to mine because I will buy a good one for 40k.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse.
Price: 1 gold
Speed: 15%
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 0
Color: White
Common Horse
Info: Skip this horse if you can, and save your money for more expensive one.
Price: 17,200 gold
Speed: 15%
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 0
Color: Dark brown
Light horse
Info: Optimized for speed, useful for short distances.
Price: 42,700 gold
Speed: 25%
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 0
Color: Light brown, black mane
Note the Light horse is 10% faster and will always have 10 more stat points than the starter horses. As they said "two items: the ability to upgrade to the Imperial Edition, and an entry level horse (Palomino colored). The horse you get in both purchases is functionally the same"
This indicates there is no way to buy a Ligh Horse from the cash shop does it not?
That is the stupidest thing I've heard in awhile. Relax, I'm not attacking you or anyone else who really wants to play the game.
I'm just strongly against companies doing a 180 like this. Even though it was completely obvious that they would start to introduce an item shop so they can go F2P does not mean it is ok.
And whats so "ethically" wrong with what this business is doing? I think his point was its a video game and a service. How they charge you to use that service isnt right or wrong in an ethical sense.
First thought that came to mind, screw them, I'm canceling!
Then I looked at all the games on the list again and said, NOPE, Give me the cash shop instead!
That's a fine point IF this was a free to play game.
Just because you can get a better item in game by not paying doesn't fly for a Pay-to-Play, subscription-Based game. And don't get me started on the grey area that's locking a race with unique mechanical properties behind an additional $20 dollar payment.
Again, all stuff that flies in a F2P game... but I'm not paying a dime to a company that looks at my $60, demands a monthly fee of $15 bucks... but is still going to lock mechanical content behind yet an additional pay wall. Sorry, that's still a deal breaker.
No, the purpose of the sub is so the company gets a certain minimum amount of money per customer per month. Revenue models are designed for the company, not for the customer.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Having a horse helps a lot. The pve quests have you running all over the place. It helps in pvp as well because the map is big and when you die you could have a long walk back. Making gold outside of exploits isn't that easy. You can make gold in pvp, but I wouldn't be surprised if that gets a nerf.
Gold is used for a lot of things, so its not like you can just save up for a horse and buy nothing else.
They are going to add more things to the cash shop. They have shown they want cash now and they want a lot. In this next beta you can play any race/any faction. Why do you think they would do that when its locked once the game starts? To sell more pre-purchases. Why sell a horse? because its useful and for a lot of people it will take a little time/effort to get one in game, so people will buy it. They aren't doing us a favor by offering it. They expect to make money from it.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I doubt it would be $20 or $5, so $10? But I wouldn't be shocked if it was $20.
Agreed... It's funny what ppl come up with to justify their outrage.
Ill have the white horse as my mule, the palomino Ill train for speed. Ill have speed and a pack mule before those that do not use the CS. Ill roll that into my savings and get the Light horse with my savings.
The palomino will never have max speed of the light horse, true. Ill just have a faster horse than those that do not use the CS at launch.
On another note. Whats goin to keep them from selling the Light horse on the Cash Shop? This could be the first step in them testing the waters to see how far they can get away with.
you guys bitch about Imperial getting a free horse
you guys bitch when they add a horse you can buy rather then spending 17k as an option for standard edition purchasers, cheaper than upgrading to the Imperial
you guys bitch that you dont have to buy it, but its not fair
you guys just like to bitch. Dont play the game, dont buy the horse, dont do anything
DO QUIT THE BITCHING ABOUT EVERYTHING
I hope they do, I am perfectly fine with a sub+convenience items (not p2w), if I feel that I dont have the patience to grind out 42000 gold, I have no problem spending 10$ to save me time
I won't be run down in PvP by someone who opened their wallet and drank an EXP Potion. I will be run down by someone who bought a horse though. At least until I'm high enough level to afford a good horse.
IMHO, you don't get to charge $60, plus a $15 a month fee and then have a cash shop that sells mechanical, gameplay advantages... no matter how small. I would never buy a game that does that.
This company is playing a very dangerous game trying the subscription model in 2014. They don't need to up the ante by also giving mechanical edges to people who buy extra stuff.
The solution to people bitching about the Imperial horse was, "Heres a cheaper horse you can buy?"
The solution would have been to make the in game horse cheaper. Not sell another horse for real money. lol
You're still wasting money.
If you have access to the white imperial horse why not just buy 2 imperial horses?
cash shop arguments don't phase me. i don't care if they add a full blown Pay-To-Win cash shop. If they do we'll all just play something else, they'll go under, and this old world will still be spinning.
It will cost at least 600$ cause the purpose is to make ppl with less money more jeallous!!!
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