Originally posted by donger56 Oh neat, will this new module have some pictures of ships I can buy? Does anyone really believe anything coming out of this mess of a company? First they said 10 months, then they said 2 months once they started getting some bad press and people calling them on their bs? Wasn't this game supposed to be out like last year and they are talking about 10 months for another "module"? Sure all games get delayed, but seriously, this is getting silly at this point. They are going to run out of money pretty soon. 85 million goes fast when you got 300 employees including all your family and friends drawing big salaries for doing nothing. Biggest crowdfunding scam in history. That is what Chris Roberts will be known for now. Brad McQuaid is happy though, this makes him running off with the 150k from Pantheon look like a kid stealing a candy bar. Way to raise the bar CR.
Massive nerdrage because the "experts" have decided that "things are taking too long" over at SC. Loud demands for action NAO !1! accompanied by vague threats and much posturing.
SC responds by releasing something.
Massive nerdrage because SC actually did something. The fact that something has now happened clearly justifies the earlier massive nerdrage, etc. etc.
All this makes everyone very angry, resulting in increased massive nerdrage, ad infinitum...
Massive nerdrage because the "experts" have decided that "things are taking too long" over at SC. Loud demands for action NAO !1! accompanied by vague threats and much posturing.
SC responds by releasing something.
Massive nerdrage because SC actually did something. The fact that something has now happened clearly justifies the earlier massive nerdrage, etc. etc.
All this makes everyone very angry, resulting in increased massive nerdrage, ad infinitum...
Welcome to the interwebz.
But anyway there is one (very small) point that seems to have been forgotten...
People will claim they were reacting to Smart regardless of when they released. There will be a sub-set of people who will dementedly credit Smart with everything that happens in Star Citizen for the rest of forever. That was almost certainly one of Smart's goals in creating this circus.Smart will now be associated with Star Citizen by force of Troll. If Star Citizen ultimately fails, Smart will proclaim to the masses that he was right and that everyone should immediately buy whatever piece of garbage he has been cobbling together. If Star Citizen ultimately succeeds, Smart will claim that it is because of his influence alone that the project didn't fail and everyone should immediately buy whatever piece of garbage he has been cobbling together.The Internet as a whole can be embarrassingly stupid.
I see the white knights have arrived. We KNOW Smart had something to do with this. Know why? Because a module that was supposedly not coming for almost a year is, a week after the challenge, suddenly comes out in 3-5 weeks. If you think for a second that happens to be a coincidence, you're as gullible as the other white knights here.
I see the white knights have arrived. We KNOW Smart had something to do with this. Know why? Because a module that was supposedly not coming for almost a year is, a week after the challenge, suddenly comes out in 3-5 weeks. If you think for a second that happens to be a coincidence, you're as gullible as the other white knights here
Please post your source where Chris Roberts or anyone at CIG says it would take "almost a year" !
The information we backers get is : a few weeks for the FPS module. And we got that information ever since the "Letter from the Chairman", which was a few weeks ago. Every week there is an update on the work on Star Marine on the website.
So the information "3-5 weeks" was NOT in response to any "smart" remarks on the Internet.
The release date of this game is "When it's done". Anything else, and we mean anything else is someone's speculation. There is no date. We don't know any date. If you have a friend who claims they have "inside info", or there's some game news site, or some computer store at the mall who claims they know - they do not. They are making it up. (So is Metacritic!) There is no date. Period. And yes, we know the game has taken a long time. There's no possible joke you could make about the game's development time that we haven't already heard.
I find it a bit suspicious the timing this is coming out. Probably the heat is making them do this. Well no smoke without fire I guess.
This type of funding where not one or two investors who can place pressure on a game developer and ask for accountability can be easily abused when a whole slew of people are putting in small sums of money. They are unable to really ask accountability unlike companies who have backers that are more circumspect about their contributions and asking for reports.This needed to happen .They need to be held responsible and made to show something to appease the backers.
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
Getting a quality product..
The first thing mentioned happened too many times already and have always failed. Now I just want a company to take the time required and deliver something that is flawless.
I find it a bit suspicious the timing this is coming out. Probably the heat is making them do this. Well no smoke without fire I guess.
This type of funding where not one or two investors who can place pressure on a game developer and ask for accountability can be easily abused when a whole slew of people are putting in small sums of money. They are unable to really ask accountability unlike companies who have backers that are more circumspect about their contributions and asking for reports.This needed to happen .They need to be held responsible and made to show something to appease the backers.
The big problem with this kind of thinking is, it does not account for the fact that with real investors this stuff isn't handled in a public manner, where hysteria is king in all things. As a dev you can safely share things with your inside investors, they're not in the habit of unwittingly sabotaging the thing they want to capitalize on.
And that's the big problem with sharing with the public, have you seen how people treat true alpha footage, strike that...how people treat an unfinished anything? That's why this stuff is held close to the chest until it's ready, by dev, investor as well as publisher. If people get worried when things are quiet, how worried do you think they'll get when everything they're seeing looks strung together, broken, sluggish, under performing, low res, etc..etc..etc..?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I see the white knights have arrived. We KNOW Smart had something to do with this. Know why? Because a module that was supposedly not coming for almost a year is, a week after the challenge, suddenly comes out in 3-5 weeks. If you think for a second that happens to be a coincidence, you're as gullible as the other white knights here
Please post your source where Chris Roberts or anyone at CIG says it would take "almost a year" !
The information we backers get is : a few weeks for the FPS module. And we got that information ever since the "Letter from the Chairman", which was a few weeks ago. Every week there is an update on the work on Star Marine on the website.
So the information "3-5 weeks" was NOT in response to any "smart" remarks on the Internet.
Have fun
Their big "There really is a game we promise!!" post had a FPS module release of 10 months from now. But again, Mr Have Fun....you are the one who denies direct quotes from Roberts and says they never happen. This was taken from his letter 3 weeks ago, in which Roberts says Star Marine (the FPS module), was delayed indefinitely. 3 weeks ago. This is, of course, after it blew by its estimated date by 2 months. He then tried to walk it back by saying "indefinitely delayed" meant weekz, not.months/years....to which he then said.not.more than a week later that it could be half way through the next year because of "networking" issues. This, of course, was a LARGE part of the kerfuffle they have gotten themselves into now. This is what happens when you don't get your base game module working before adding on 4 or 5 other modules (arena, lobby, fps,starliner, etc). THIS is why everyone is worried. But not you white knights. Forever optimistic. The fact that they are struggling with an fps module while using an fps engine should be disconcerting. Add to thst people saying Elite had better space combat (blech) and you end up with an 84 million dollar boondoggle. So......have fun.
People will claim they were reacting to Smart regardless of when they released. There will be a sub-set of people who will dementedly credit Smart with everything that happens in Star Citizen for the rest of forever. That was almost certainly one of Smart's goals in creating this circus.
Smart will now be associated with Star Citizen by force of Troll. If Star Citizen ultimately fails, Smart will proclaim to the masses that he was right and that everyone should immediately buy whatever piece of garbage he has been cobbling together. If Star Citizen ultimately succeeds, Smart will claim that it is because of his influence alone that the project didn't fail and everyone should immediately buy whatever piece of garbage he has been cobbling together.
The Internet as a whole can be embarrassingly stupid.
They didn't just snap a finger and have an alpha unless they already had one. I think this actually might say Derek Smart was wrong and that the game is making some kind of progress.
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it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
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playing an MMORPG?"
Originally posted by ishist People will claim they were reacting to Smart regardless of when they released. There will be a sub-set of people who will dementedly credit Smart with everything that happens in Star Citizen for the rest of forever. That was almost certainly one of Smart's goals in creating this circus.Smart will now be associated with Star Citizen by force of Troll. If Star Citizen ultimately fails, Smart will proclaim to the masses that he was right and that everyone should immediately buy whatever piece of garbage he has been cobbling together. If Star Citizen ultimately succeeds, Smart will claim that it is because of his influence alone that the project didn't fail and everyone should immediately buy whatever piece of garbage he has been cobbling together.The Internet as a whole can be embarrassingly stupid.
They didn't just snap a finger and have an alpha unless they already had one. I think this actually might say Derek Smart was wrong and that the game is making some kind of progress.
This is also a viable theory, but considering 3 weeks ago they indefinitely delayed the fps module and said creating an alpha build without it was proving problematic, I would put better money on "Here's a rushed garbage build to prove this game exists in more than screen shots" lol
I heard there was pie in the sky here? Supposedly, if I pay several hundred dollars, they will draw me a picture of an epic pie and tell me how it will work in 2025. Am I in the right sub-forums?
Originally posted by kitarad Has anyone tried the public test yet ? How is it ?
I think you may be misunderstanding things a bit.
This patch contains the latest version of the modules that have been available to backers for quite a few months now (Ship Hangar and Arena Commander), so it's not spectacular or groundbreaking or anything like that. A few bugfixes, some UI changes, a few new flyable ships, those sorts of things.
Originally posted by kitarad Has anyone tried the public test yet ? How is it ?
I think you may be misunderstanding things a bit.
This patch contains the latest version of the modules that have been available to backers for quite a few months now (Ship Hangar and Arena Commander), so it's not spectacular or groundbreaking or anything like that. A few bugfixes, some UI changes, a few new flyable ships, those sorts of things.
This is probably why the existence of the patch (Yes, just a patch) seems to be causing such a fuss. Uninformed people are assuming that CIG is releasing a rushed product in response to the allegations of "He Who Should Not Have Been Named By His Mother".
This is not the release of a product. We've been flying around dogfighting since June of last year.
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I cant wait to play this game when its full released in 2025. I will take a week holiday of work. Or maybe i will even be in retirement by the day its released.
Originally posted by observer I guess Star Citizen fans can thank Derek Smart. None of this would have happened if he wasn't so vocal.
I must admit that I find it very coincidental that within a week of Mr. Smart's allegations, we now have the FPS module in 3-5 weeks (instead of the projected 10 months) and a brand new PTU build. Let's hope that at least some resolution is brought to the whole issue.
I find it odd that you guys have reached out to Derek Smart but we've yet to hear anything from you about talking to anyone at CIG. Any plans for you to give them a chance to give us their side of the story?
I doubt that CIG would agree to such an interview, because it would just lend credibility to the ludicrous demands of someone who is best ignored.
Besides, making public remarks/comments/demands about a competitor is not very professional.
I can just imagine how the headlines for that interview will play on the interwebz:
"CIG responds to grave allegations of nepotism and fraud"
Repeat that headline across a few hundred websites and soon everyone will "know" they're guilty.
Originally posted by observer I guess Star Citizen fans can thank Derek Smart. None of this would have happened if he wasn't so vocal.
I must admit that I find it very coincidental that within a week of Mr. Smart's allegations, we now have the FPS module in 3-5 weeks (instead of the projected 10 months) and a brand new PTU build. Let's hope that at least some resolution is brought to the whole issue.
Let's keep things in perspective please.. at least the MMORPG staff.
No one talked about a 10 month delay, at least not on SC's forums. Here is what Ben Lesnick wrote in this lengthy post of his titled "Some thoughts on concerns!" on July 9, BEFORE this whole Derek Smart charade : It would not be my place to give you a timetable, but with the number of people I’m seeing who genuinely believe that we somehow now aren’t doing the FPS module I will say that we are talking about a delay of weeks and not months/years/decades.
Chris Roberts announcement about the fps module is within the time frame Lesnick gave and definitely not related with Smart.
But again, Mr Have Fun....you are the one who denies direct quotes from Roberts and says they never happen. This was taken from his letter 3 weeks ago,
--> No it was not. Let me remind you by quoting (link - see above) it verbatim:
--> Chris Roberts: "When will we see Star Marine? Tonight, I don’t have an absolute answer for you. .... On the public side, I know that it’s time to open up our communications on the Star Marine rollout process: starting with this message and continuing each week, we will provide a high level update on the challenges just as we did for Arena Commander....." [which they did, see Star Marine Update thread here on this forum] "....I can’t promise you we’ll meet every internal deadline or that every decision we make is something you’ll agree with. There will be challenges that we struggle to overcome, and we will never be able to predict all of these with certainty…but I can promise you we will keep you informed and that we will not stop working until the game is done right. After all, that’s why we’re here in the first place...."
in which Roberts says Star Marine (the FPS module), was delayed indefinitely. 3 weeks ago.
--> That word "indefinitely" is not in the article. Not even once. It was used by a website blogger as clickbait. You fell for it.
This is, of course, after it blew by its estimated date by 2 months. He then tried to walk it back by saying "indefinitely delayed" meant weekz, not.months/years....to which he then said.not.more than a week later that it could be half way through the next year because of "networking" issues. This, of course, was a LARGE part of the kerfuffle they have gotten themselves into now. This is what happens when you don't get your base game module working before adding on 4 or 5 other modules (arena, lobby, fps,starliner, etc). THIS is why everyone is worried. But not you white knights.
--> Maybe it is because someones DOES read the detailed reports about the game's progress and watches the vblogs?
Forever optimistic. The fact that they are struggling with an fps module while using an fps engine should be disconcerting.
--> May I suggest you read up on the work regarding the FPS module. The CryEngine has been revised from the ground up for higher performance. That takes time.
Add to thst people saying Elite had better space combat (blech)
--> I own (and like) both E:D and SC.
and you end up with an 84 million dollar boondoggle. So......have fun.
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Here have my tinfoil hat..you have earn it.
This is the iternetz at it's best, lol !
Massive nerdrage because the "experts" have decided that "things are taking too long" over at SC. Loud demands for action NAO !1! accompanied by vague threats and much posturing.
SC responds by releasing something.
Massive nerdrage because SC actually did something. The fact that something has now happened clearly justifies the earlier massive nerdrage, etc. etc.
All this makes everyone very angry, resulting in increased massive nerdrage, ad infinitum...
Welcome to the interwebz.
But anyway there is one (very small) point that seems to have been forgotten...
Has anyone played it yet?
How is it?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I see the white knights have arrived. We KNOW Smart had something to do with this. Know why? Because a module that was supposedly not coming for almost a year is, a week after the challenge, suddenly comes out in 3-5 weeks. If you think for a second that happens to be a coincidence, you're as gullible as the other white knights here.Please post your source where Chris Roberts or anyone at CIG says it would take "almost a year" !
The information we backers get is : a few weeks for the FPS module. And we got that information ever since the "Letter from the Chairman", which was a few weeks ago. Every week there is an update on the work on Star Marine on the website.
So the information "3-5 weeks" was NOT in response to any "smart" remarks on the Internet.
Have fun
The release date of this game is "When it's done". Anything else, and we mean anything else is someone's speculation. There is no date. We don't know any date. If you have a friend who claims they have "inside info", or there's some game news site, or some computer store at the mall who claims they know - they do not. They are making it up. (So is Metacritic!) There is no date. Period. And yes, we know the game has taken a long time. There's no possible joke you could make about the game's development time that we haven't already heard.
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nope, it´s just the thing they´re doing which is, ya know, game development
I find it a bit suspicious the timing this is coming out. Probably the heat is making them do this. Well no smoke without fire I guess.
This type of funding where not one or two investors who can place pressure on a game developer and ask for accountability can be easily abused when a whole slew of people are putting in small sums of money. They are unable to really ask accountability unlike companies who have backers that are more circumspect about their contributions and asking for reports.This needed to happen .They need to be held responsible and made to show something to appease the backers.
yeah they revised their whole schedule because of trolls demanding things.
Totally holding back content and now they were forced to release it because someone wrote something on the internet.
:-)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Getting a quality product..
The first thing mentioned happened too many times already and have always failed. Now I just want a company to take the time required and deliver something that is flawless.
The big problem with this kind of thinking is, it does not account for the fact that with real investors this stuff isn't handled in a public manner, where hysteria is king in all things. As a dev you can safely share things with your inside investors, they're not in the habit of unwittingly sabotaging the thing they want to capitalize on.
And that's the big problem with sharing with the public, have you seen how people treat true alpha footage, strike that...how people treat an unfinished anything? That's why this stuff is held close to the chest until it's ready, by dev, investor as well as publisher. If people get worried when things are quiet, how worried do you think they'll get when everything they're seeing looks strung together, broken, sluggish, under performing, low res, etc..etc..etc..?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Please post your source where Chris Roberts or anyone at CIG says it would take "almost a year" !
The information we backers get is : a few weeks for the FPS module. And we got that information ever since the "Letter from the Chairman", which was a few weeks ago. Every week there is an update on the work on Star Marine on the website.
So the information "3-5 weeks" was NOT in response to any "smart" remarks on the Internet.
Have fun
Their big "There really is a game we promise!!" post had a FPS module release of 10 months from now. But again, Mr Have Fun....you are the one who denies direct quotes from Roberts and says they never happen. This was taken from his letter 3 weeks ago, in which Roberts says Star Marine (the FPS module), was delayed indefinitely. 3 weeks ago. This is, of course, after it blew by its estimated date by 2 months. He then tried to walk it back by saying "indefinitely delayed" meant weekz, not.months/years....to which he then said.not.more than a week later that it could be half way through the next year because of "networking" issues. This, of course, was a LARGE part of the kerfuffle they have gotten themselves into now. This is what happens when you don't get your base game module working before adding on 4 or 5 other modules (arena, lobby, fps,starliner, etc). THIS is why everyone is worried. But not you white knights. Forever optimistic. The fact that they are struggling with an fps module while using an fps engine should be disconcerting. Add to thst people saying Elite had better space combat (blech) and you end up with an 84 million dollar boondoggle. So......have fun.They didn't just snap a finger and have an alpha unless they already had one. I think this actually might say Derek Smart was wrong and that the game is making some kind of progress.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
They didn't just snap a finger and have an alpha unless they already had one. I think this actually might say Derek Smart was wrong and that the game is making some kind of progress.
This is also a viable theory, but considering 3 weeks ago they indefinitely delayed the fps module and said creating an alpha build without it was proving problematic, I would put better money on "Here's a rushed garbage build to prove this game exists in more than screen shots" lolI heard there was pie in the sky here? Supposedly, if I pay several hundred dollars, they will draw me a picture of an epic pie and tell me how it will work in 2025. Am I in the right sub-forums?
I think you may be misunderstanding things a bit.
This patch contains the latest version of the modules that have been available to backers for quite a few months now (Ship Hangar and Arena Commander), so it's not spectacular or groundbreaking or anything like that. A few bugfixes, some UI changes, a few new flyable ships, those sorts of things.
This is probably why the existence of the patch (Yes, just a patch) seems to be causing such a fuss. Uninformed people are assuming that CIG is releasing a rushed product in response to the allegations of "He Who Should Not Have Been Named By His Mother".
This is not the release of a product. We've been flying around dogfighting since June of last year.
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams
I doubt that CIG would agree to such an interview, because it would just lend credibility to the ludicrous demands of someone who is best ignored.
Besides, making public remarks/comments/demands about a competitor is not very professional.
I can just imagine how the headlines for that interview will play on the interwebz:
"CIG responds to grave allegations of nepotism and fraud"
Repeat that headline across a few hundred websites and soon everyone will "know" they're guilty.
Let's keep things in perspective please.. at least the MMORPG staff.
No one talked about a 10 month delay, at least not on SC's forums. Here is what Ben Lesnick wrote in this lengthy post of his titled "Some thoughts on concerns!" on July 9, BEFORE this whole Derek Smart charade : It would not be my place to give you a timetable, but with the number of people I’m seeing who genuinely believe that we somehow now aren’t doing the FPS module I will say that we are talking about a delay of weeks and not months/years/decades.
Chris Roberts announcement about the fps module is within the time frame Lesnick gave and definitely not related with Smart.
A post everyone should take the time and read: https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/271173/some-thoughts-on-concerns
--> Have fun