So I am very curious, why does other people spending money on what they want affect you in ANY way, shape, or form?
Well for a start, peoples spending habbits kicked of the microtransaction age where i am nickled and dimed for everything in every fucking game.
I'm sorry did I miss the part where some one had a gun to your head forcing you to pay for games?
If having all the DLC for a game is that important to you and for whatever reason you can't afford (more on this in the next paragraph) it wait a few years and you can buy it all at bargain barn prices.
I would also submit, that if these "nickle and dime" tactics are putting that much of a strain on your budget then perhaps spending money on any hobby may be unrealistic at his time and you should secure another means of generating revenue until such time that you are in a comfortable place to indulge your chosen hobby.
I make a bloody heap of money. I have zero bills (beyond utilities grrr) so I can and will, with complete disregard to the rest of humanity spend any amount of money I feel necessary on any game I choose too. Because I can. While I do not look down on others I am very happy with my station in life and the hard work I put in for many years to get here and I take a bit of offence to those that choose to whine and cry about the spending habits of others.
In closing; it is the people that spend money on F2P games that keep said games afloat (most of the time) and the people that are 'along for the ride' should honestly shut their collective holes and appreciate what others are footing the bill for them to play. I hope that about covers that BS.
You really went off on a tangent there and made some pretty bold assumptions about me.
Its not about the money, its about the principal. I can and do pay for games that are f2p because that is their primary business model.
My point is once apon a time you used to pay a FLAT fee and get EVERYTHING in the game and everyone had an equal chance at doing or obtaining anything they wanted.
As to your original assertion what people choose to spend their money on can shape the industry and culture of video games for everyone, So it does impact other people what practices you choose to endorse.
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Yes, Kickstarter is very clear in it's EULA how goals have to be met and the creators have to show reasonable effort to deliver the original Kickstarter promises. You can read it yourself, takes less than 5 minutes:
When a project is successfully funded, the creator is responsible for completing the project and fulfilling each reward. Their fundamental obligation to backers is to finish all the work that was promised. Once a creator has done so, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to their backers.
If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
These Kickstarter rules have not been fulfilled by CIG. Backers were never informed and they never posted an update explaining and showing how funds have been used.
The game is still under development. Nobody has said that the company is pulling the plug and is unable to deliver the product. The only people who are saying the game is not coming out are the people who have absolutely no 1st hand information and what they say have absolutely no value or worth of any kind.
As for the obligations under kickstarter:
There is a website here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ dedicated to this game. This website is constantly updated with information pertaining to the games development. It's not stale, it's not sitting for months and years without any updates. At this website you can also see where the money is going:
Those are the goals that CIG is spending the kickstarter + the crowdfunding money attained through star citizen's website. Chris Roberts also continues to make posts himself, make public appearances (Citizen Con) showing off the game's continued development as it moves forward. As I look at your post above I can see that all the kickstarter obligations are currently being fulfilled. You also have access to the game itself and you can see for yourself pretty much every step of the game's development, which I also have, and I can tell you that this game is not sitting in one state where nothing is being done.
Not sure what else you want. You want access to the companies finances? Access to the payrolls? As CIG is a privately held company you have no access to it at all and they have no obligation of disclosing that information. If the company goes public and you want to see the finances, then they will gladly send you an annual report. But as of today. No.
The Kickstarter TOS only covers the original Kickstarter.
The original backers were never told: "Listen guys, we will take that money and try to get more money with it. We will invest into a sales platform to sell ships, create high quality marketing materials and videos to get more money. I will also employ my failed actress ex-wife which is now my wife again as Head of Marketing, give her a role in the game and make her the host of the game show and videos we produce with your money."
The original Kickstarter goals were abandoned and the funds used to make a spaceship sales website and produce high quality marketing materials, videos and investment into a company that created the Star Citizen Sales platform.
The original backers money was used not for game development but rather to get more money from people that where not part of the original Kickstarter. This is well documented and everyone has seen it.
It does not matter that after 3 years they finally start to work on the original game. It matters that they lied and never informed anyone about how they were using the funds from the original Kickstarter.
As for the finances, i don't want anything: This is what the Kickstarter TOS says and you can read it yourself. I was just copying it for you.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
>>> If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, >>>
But the creater is NOT unable to complete the project. It takes longer for the mini-game you still have in mind, but that is also covered in the TOS which you agreed to once you joined the project.
Have fun
1. I NEVER agreed to a TOS of CIG. I backed on Kickstarter that is all i did.
2. The CIG TOS is irrelevant. The Kickstarter TOS trumps it. Kickstarter is making the rules here not CIG. It's laughable how you think that everyone can just make up a TOS that says: "We don't need to do diddly-squat and decided to make something compeletely different now with the money you gave us".
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
1. I NEVER agreed to a TOS of CIG. I backed on Kickstarter that is all i did.
2. The CIG TOS is irrelevant. The Kickstarter TOS trumps it. Kickstarter is making the rules here not CIG. It's laughable how you think that everyone can just make up a TOS that says: "We don't need to do diddly-squat and decided to make something compeletely different now with the money you gave us".
1. ...Nope 2... Nope
May i remind you that the crowdfunding STARTED on the CIG homepage, THEN Kickstarter was added as an option (and brought in only 4 % of the total backers) and THEN the crowdfunding CONTINUED on the CIG homepage. So the homepage was NOT made with Kickstarter money ... it existed before it already.
If you say you NEVER agreed to any CIG TOS, then CIG has every right to hand you your money back and wave you goodbye. If you do not agree to their rules - they are NOT obligated to have you as their customer. If you say you NEVER agreed to any CIG TOS, then you will never be able to play the game as you have to agree with the TOS before you can start the game or any of its modules (thats the same in most games i know of). Then you backing them on Kickstarter means diddly-squat. Therefore i personally would recommend you get your money back via a refund.
1. I NEVER agreed to a TOS of CIG. I backed on Kickstarter that is all i did.
2. The CIG TOS is irrelevant. The Kickstarter TOS trumps it. Kickstarter is making the rules here not CIG. It's laughable how you think that everyone can just make up a TOS that says: "We don't need to do diddly-squat and decided to make something compeletely different now with the money you gave us".
1. ...Nope 2... Nope
May i remind you that the crowdfunding STARTED on the CIG homepage, THEN Kickstarter was added as an option (and brought in only 4 % of the total backers) and THEN the crowdfunding CONTINUED on the CIG homepage. So the homepage was NOT made with Kickstarter money ... it existed before it already.
If you say you NEVER agreed to any CIG TOS, then CIG has every right to hand you your money back and wave you goodbye. If you do not agree to their rules - they are NOT obligated to have you as their customer. If you say you NEVER agreed to any CIG TOS, then you will never be able to play the game as you have to agree with the TOS before you can start the game or any of its modules (thats the same in most games i know of). Then you backing them on Kickstarter means diddly-squat. Therefore i personally would recommend you get your money back via a refund.
Have fun
1. You said they informed the Kickstarter backers. They did not. You lied and you know it. 2. I backed on Kickstarter not on the homepage. They have to play by Kickstarter rules. No further discussion necessary. 3. No, their TOS does not trump the Kickstarter TOS. No matter how many times you repeat it. Everyone would make his own TOS then saying: "We don't agree to the Kickstarter TOS, you have no rights at all. We take your money"
You know very well that after the Kickstarter they invested in Turbulent doing the crowd funding platform (website) for them. No need to lie here, it is all well documented.
I have the right to get the Product they pitched in the Kickstarter. They did not use the Kickstarter funds for that Project. Instead they used it to create brochures and videos to market spaceships. They invested in a company called Turbulent to run the website campaign for them. They used it to make shows with his failed actress wife (and ex-wife). This is breaking the Kickstarter rules. It's as simple as that.
As of this date there is no game in sight that resembles the original Kickstarter game. Instead we have 3 buggy pre-alpha modules. I backed 1 game not 3.
You can repeat it as often as you want. I DO NOT WANT A REFUND. How many more times do i have to repeat that until you understand it?
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
They invested in a company called Turbulent to run the website campaign for them. They used it to make shows with his failed actress wife (and ex-wife). This is breaking the Kickstarter rules. It's as simple as that.
As of this date there is no game in sight that resembles the original Kickstarter game. Instead we have 3 buggy pre-alpha modules. I backed 1 game not 3.
You can repeat it as often as you want. I DO NOT WANT A REFUND. How many more times do i have to repeat that until you understand it?
From the Kickstarter page w.r.t. the Star Citizen website: "....In addition, part of the money we are asking for is budgeted to maintain
the Roberts Space Industries site with constant updates. Our goal is
for the game’s website to be live from day one, constantly giving
information about what’s happening in the galaxy even before the game is
live, sharing interesting insights into the development process and
canvassing the early backers for their opinions. Roberts Space Industries should be the first stop into the Star Citizen universe. When we say we want to involve the community, we really mean it!..."
So they already stated during the Kickstarter campaign their plans w.r.t. the website. And .... ***drumroll*** they subcontracted the website work to another specialized company. Thats what many many companies do.
The shows do not cost you as a Kickstarter backer anything as they are paid with voluntary donations by subscribers. Therefore it does not break any Kickstarter rules.
"... no game in sight that resembles the original Kickstarter game..." ---> The multi-module demo you saw during the Manchester and Cologne events. Soon to be played by the backers too.
If you do not want a refund and do not want to accept the CIG TOS you will never be able to play the game as the game simply does not start without you accepting the TOS. You will be (proud ?) owner of a game you support on Kickstarter, but which you obviously plan to never actually play.
I hereby thank you for altruistically supporting the Star Citizen crowdfunding campaign without ever wanting to play the game yourself. Thank you !
Amazing how Erillion is never wrong, no matter what you say he will counter it with more BS that has nothing to do with the point you just made. A lot of the times I really think he could be Roberts because a man that has no clue how to run and be the main boss at CIG would do exactly what Erillion is doing and saying.
Two things Roberts and Erillion does is play word and number games. Just so it fits into their way of thinking and how the company is never wrong. Just no reason to ever respond to them when they write stuff, in their head it will always be true even though it is nothing but BS!
Amazing how Erillion is never wrong, no matter what you say he will counter it with more BS that has nothing to do with the point you just made. A lot of the times I really think he could be Roberts because a man that has no clue how to run and be the main boss at CIG would do exactly what Erillion is doing and saying.
Two things Roberts and Erillion does is play word and number games. Just so it fits into their way of thinking and how the company is never wrong. Just no reason to ever respond to them when they write stuff, in their head it will always be true even though it is nothing but BS!
and you seem to be as incapable to admit that Erillion actually have some points every now and then
Amazing how Erillion is never wrong, no matter what you say he will counter it with more BS that has nothing to do with the point you just made. A lot of the times I really think he could be Roberts because a man that has no clue how to run and be the main boss at CIG would do exactly what Erillion is doing and saying.
Two things Roberts and Erillion does is play word and number games. Just so it fits into their way of thinking and how the company is never wrong. Just no reason to ever respond to them when they write stuff, in their head it will always be true even though it is nothing but BS!
and you seem to be as incapable to admit that Erillion actually have some points every now and then
A broken clock is right two times a day
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Amazing how Erillion is never wrong, no matter what you say he will counter it with more BS that has nothing to do with the point you just made. A lot of the times I really think he could be Roberts because a man that has no clue how to run and be the main boss at CIG would do exactly what Erillion is doing and saying.
Two things Roberts and Erillion does is play word and number games. Just so it fits into their way of thinking and how the company is never wrong. Just no reason to ever respond to them when they write stuff, in their head it will always be true even though it is nothing but BS!
and you seem to be as incapable to admit that Erillion actually have some points every now and then
A broken clock is right two times a day
Your assumption is that a "broken" clock is a clock where the arms aren't moving. Maybe the arms are moving and there's no way to reset the clock, in which case it would never be correct. Just saying that we tend to make a lot of assumptions about things without knowing anything, really. This case is a perfect example.
Funny thing about the Kickstarter project: Roberts had been publicly dissing Kickstarter before setting up his own, personal donation site. Which promptly crashed. So much for the great programmer. With no contingencies set up to handle things, Roberts went to the recently impuned Kickstarter to help handle the money vacuuming. Of course, he stated that he only did it due to requests by interested parties. Very much CYA, as it could not be independently checked. The CR formula.
To me, it also shows he had no clue as to the popularity of the genre, or the desperation of its fans. His aim was very low, and probably was just a stopgap after the cratering of his Hollywood career. Now, of course, it's the Golden Goose. Ooh, they should definitely have a spaceship with that name. Wonder what it's jpeg would sell for?
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Funny thing about the Kickstarter project: Roberts had been publicly dissing Kickstarter before setting up his own, personal donation site. Which promptly crashed. So much for the great programmer. With no contingencies set up to handle things, Roberts went to the recently impuned Kickstarter to help handle the money vacuuming. Of course, he stated that he only did it due to requests by interested parties. Very much CYA, as it could not be independently checked. The CR formula.
To me, it also shows he had no clue as to the popularity of the genre, or the desperation of its fans. His aim was very low, and probably was just a stopgap after the cratering of his Hollywood career. Now, of course, it's the Golden Goose. Ooh, they should definitely have a spaceship with that name. Wonder what it's jpeg would sell for?
That ship would sell for 5k and would shine like the sun in all its golden glory. As it drove (flew?) past you it would casually flip you the bird for being too poor to afford it while simultaneously telling you to get the @&;$& out of its way peasant!
Yes. (When I backed and gave money it said November 2014 I believe)
When you backed this, the Nov 2014 date was obsolete by the end of the Kickstarter campaign in November 2012. That campaign brought in much more than planned and enlarged the scope of the game significantly. And THEN we backers added another 87 M$ on top of THAT.
It was only communicated about a hundred times or so by CIG that the game they are now building is much larger (and therefore will take longer to develop).
So where have you been since Nov 2012 that this is completely new and unexpected to you ?
Did you never ever check the homepage ? Did you deliberately avoid all gaming magazines and news sites ?
Have fun
Not deliberately no, I have backed many games and typically wait until they have something closer to release before I even bother reading emails.
Where have I been. . here. . playing other games. . waiting for something substantial to come out, not just demos of modules. I would have liked them to release something as a core game and then build on that through the extra money. I was hoping for a game withing a reasonable amount of time from what was stated.
I get what happened but you keep saying they didn't miss a deadline. . I feel they did. You answer of "no" is just as biased and subjective as someone else's "yes". I don't think either is wrong.
You sound a bit angry and sarcastic in your response. I know that you follow this game closely and spend a lot of time here. I don't. I work and have a family. I don't read everything in my in box from a game I have backed until they send me a link to some form of playable game. I just don't have the time. I read the heading and a few sentences and then decide whether to read more. Its a hobby.
The Weekly news update is out. I recommend to watch the two videos about Ship UI upgrades (Constellation UI FTW) and Audio flyby sounds (its like hearing where your enemy is during a dogfight - cool IMHO).
Weekly news update, with news about the ship UI system, the IFCS Flight Modes – SCM (Space Combat Maneuvering), Precision and Cruise - and the component handling system (Re: ex-"Sticky Fingers" system). Also a look at the Cryo refueling station.
So I am very curious, why does other people spending money on what they want affect you in ANY way, shape, or form?
Well for a start, peoples spending habbits kicked of the microtransaction age where i am nickled and dimed for everything in every fucking game.
I'm sorry did I miss the part where some one had a gun to your head forcing you to pay for games?
If having all the DLC for a game is that important to you and for whatever reason you can't afford (more on this in the next paragraph) it wait a few years and you can buy it all at bargain barn prices.
I would also submit, that if these "nickle and dime" tactics are putting that much of a strain on your budget then perhaps spending money on any hobby may be unrealistic at his time and you should secure another means of generating revenue until such time that you are in a comfortable place to indulge your chosen hobby.
I make a bloody heap of money. I have zero bills (beyond utilities grrr) so I can and will, with complete disregard to the rest of humanity spend any amount of money I feel necessary on any game I choose too. Because I can. While I do not look down on others I am very happy with my station in life and the hard work I put in for many years to get here and I take a bit of offence to those that choose to whine and cry about the spending habits of others.
In closing; it is the people that spend money on F2P games that keep said games afloat (most of the time) and the people that are 'along for the ride' should honestly shut their collective holes and appreciate what others are footing the bill for them to play. I hope that about covers that BS.
You really went off on a tangent there and made some pretty bold assumptions about me.
Its not about the money, its about the principal. I can and do pay for games that are f2p because that is their primary business model.
My point is once apon a time you used to pay a FLAT fee and get EVERYTHING in the game and everyone had an equal chance at doing or obtaining anything they wanted.
As to your original assertion what people choose to spend their money on can shape the industry and culture of video games for everyone, So it does impact other people what practices you choose to endorse.
I made no assumptions about you whatsoever. I spoke to your statement that my (and people like me) spending habits in some way impacted your life, and frankly they don't.
No one forces you to buy anything, simple fact. You don't have to buy food, you can go hunt it or grow it. I choose to buy it from the store, it's easier. You don't have to buy games, there are quite possibly millions of other ways to spend your free time.
Your 'once upon a time' (spelling corrected btw) point is only slightly true. While I agree there are pay to win games around, I personally do not play those. So if you do, then rest easy I am not there buying my way to the top. If you do, you should also be aware that you are feeding into that system and putting yourself into a bad position. Again, your fault and problem, not mine. The games I do play are pretty even. You can pay to look cool but that is about it, and you can't really get anything beyond that with rl cash.
In closing, no assumptions were made. Note my use of the word 'If". Not saying you are this or you are that, because I really don't know you. I am only speaking to the points you put out there.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
A look at the "Million Mile High" club in Star Citizen. Thats not concept art .. its already existing in the CIG internal testing version of the game ...shown during anniversary livestream. They move around a bit in the club.
First 1000 players (the most active from the playtesting feedback forum) have access to Alpha 2.0 mini-PTU starting today. They do the stress-testing, after the 22 QA employees of CIG have done their tasks. I guess we will see the first Youtube videos from players soon.
CIG plans to add more and more players every week, going for greater and greater stress tests.
Core FPS functionality is in place (thats FPS fighting for you ... so people can start shooting each other :-)
The first two multi-crew ships are available ... Constellation and Retaliator.
There will be 22 different random encounters.
3 space stations.
Lots of com satellites to defend and repair.
Respawn is much faster on the Crusader map. Permadeath switched off for now. Port Olisar is the (re)spawn point. You get a new testing ship quickly ... and no, you cannot keep those testing ships for the Persistent Universe.
First 1000 players (the most active from the playtesting feedback forum) have access to Alpha 2.0 mini-PTU starting today. They do the stress-testing, after the 22 QA employees of CIG have done their tasks. I guess we will see the first Youtube videos from players soon.
CIG plans to add more and more players every week, going for greater and greater stress tests.
Core FPS functionality is in place (thats FPS fighting for you ... so people can start shooting each other :-)
The first two multi-crew ships are available ... Constellation and Retaliator.
There will be 22 different random encounters.
3 space stations.
Lots of com satellites to defend and repair.
Respawn is much faster on the Crusader map. Permadeath switched off for now. Port Olisar is the (re)spawn point. You get a new testing ship quickly ... and no, you cannot keep those testing ships for the Persistent Universe.
Have fun
Can't be....CIG is releasing 2.0 today? Derek Smart said it wouldn't be released!
Why do people follow this person? He is clearly not all there...go look at his Twitter feed, the man sounds like a loon...a desperate loon now that once again he is completely wrong on his "prediction". Just remember people according to DS - this game would never see the light of day - ever.
Why do people follow this person? He is clearly not all there...go look at his Twitter feed, the man sounds like a loon...a desperate loon now that once again he is completely wrong on his "prediction". Just remember people according to DS - this game would never see the light of day - ever.
To be fair, we saw no live gameplay of 2.0 during the livestream and they are "supposedly" only allowing 1000 of their most faithful fans to even test it so can it really be said they are releasing 2.0? I dont think the average backer will see anything resembling 2.0 until 2nd quarter next year but that is just my opinion.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Why do people follow this person? He is clearly not all there...go look at his Twitter feed, the man sounds like a loon...a desperate loon now that once again he is completely wrong on his "prediction". Just remember people according to DS - this game would never see the light of day - ever.
To be fair, we saw no live gameplay of 2.0 during the livestream and they are "supposedly" only allowing 1000 of their most faithful fans to even test it so can it really be said they are releasing 2.0? I dont think the average backer will see anything resembling 2.0 until 2nd quarter next year but that is just my opinion.
There is no "to be fair" 2.0 is released, it starts with 1000, then in a week more will be added, and more after that - Chris and Erin said this during the chat. This was exactly how they released Arena Commander. They let a few in at a time. So no...you can't mince words to make them fit his agenda. 2.0 is released and going live to 1,000 people tonight.
There is no "to be fair" 2.0 is released, it starts with 1000, then in a week more will be added, and more after that - Chris and Erin said this during the chat. This was exactly how they released Arena Commander. They let a few in at a time. So no...you can't mince words to make them fit his agenda. 2.0 is released and going live to 1,000 people tonight.
If your definition of "release" is 1000 people looking at it on a test server then I respect your opinion but my opinion differs. Also, just to clarify, I dislike Mr. Smart and his tactics which can easily be seen in my posting history. It is odd that they announce 2.0 being tested but show no actual live gameplay.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
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Its not about the money, its about the principal.
I can and do pay for games that are f2p because that is their primary business model.
My point is once apon a time you used to pay a FLAT fee and get EVERYTHING in the game and everyone had an equal chance at doing or obtaining anything they wanted.
As to your original assertion what people choose to spend their money on can shape the industry and culture of video games for everyone, So it does impact other people what practices you choose to endorse.
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The original backers were never told: "Listen guys, we will take that money and try to get more money with it. We will invest into a sales platform to sell ships, create high quality marketing materials and videos to get more money. I will also employ my failed actress ex-wife which is now my wife again as Head of Marketing, give her a role in the game and make her the host of the game show and videos we produce with your money."
The original Kickstarter goals were abandoned and the funds used to make a spaceship sales website and produce high quality marketing materials, videos and investment into a company that created the Star Citizen Sales platform.
The original backers money was used not for game development but rather to get more money from people that where not part of the original Kickstarter. This is well documented and everyone has seen it.
It does not matter that after 3 years they finally start to work on the original game. It matters that they lied and never informed anyone about how they were using the funds from the original Kickstarter.
As for the finances, i don't want anything: This is what the Kickstarter TOS says and you can read it yourself. I was just copying it for you.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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1. I NEVER agreed to a TOS of CIG. I backed on Kickstarter that is all i did.
2. The CIG TOS is irrelevant. The Kickstarter TOS trumps it. Kickstarter is making the rules here not CIG. It's laughable how you think that everyone can just make up a TOS that says: "We don't need to do diddly-squat and decided to make something compeletely different now with the money you gave us".
3. Have faith!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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May i remind you that the crowdfunding STARTED on the CIG homepage, THEN Kickstarter was added as an option (and brought in only 4 % of the total backers) and THEN the crowdfunding CONTINUED on the CIG homepage. So the homepage was NOT made with Kickstarter money ... it existed before it already.
If you say you NEVER agreed to any CIG TOS, then CIG has every right to hand you your money back and wave you goodbye. If you do not agree to their rules - they are NOT obligated to have you as their customer. If you say you NEVER agreed to any CIG TOS, then you will never be able to play the game as you have to agree with the TOS before you can start the game or any of its modules (thats the same in most games i know of). Then you backing them on Kickstarter means diddly-squat. Therefore i personally would recommend you get your money back via a refund.
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2. I backed on Kickstarter not on the homepage. They have to play by Kickstarter rules. No further discussion necessary.
3. No, their TOS does not trump the Kickstarter TOS. No matter how many times you repeat it. Everyone would make his own TOS then saying: "We don't agree to the Kickstarter TOS, you have no rights at all. We take your money"
You know very well that after the Kickstarter they invested in Turbulent doing the crowd funding platform (website) for them. No need to lie here, it is all well documented.
I have the right to get the Product they pitched in the Kickstarter. They did not use the Kickstarter funds for that Project. Instead they used it to create brochures and videos to market spaceships. They invested in a company called Turbulent to run the website campaign for them. They used it to make shows with his failed actress wife (and ex-wife). This is breaking the Kickstarter rules. It's as simple as that.
As of this date there is no game in sight that resembles the original Kickstarter game. Instead we have 3 buggy pre-alpha modules. I backed 1 game not 3.
You can repeat it as often as you want. I DO NOT WANT A REFUND. How many more times do i have to repeat that until you understand it?
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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"....In addition, part of the money we are asking for is budgeted to maintain the Roberts Space Industries site with constant updates. Our goal is for the game’s website to be live from day one, constantly giving information about what’s happening in the galaxy even before the game is live, sharing interesting insights into the development process and canvassing the early backers for their opinions. Roberts Space Industries should be the first stop into the Star Citizen universe. When we say we want to involve the community, we really mean it!..."
So they already stated during the Kickstarter campaign their plans w.r.t. the website. And .... ***drumroll*** they subcontracted the website work to another specialized company. Thats what many many companies do.
The shows do not cost you as a Kickstarter backer anything as they are paid with voluntary donations by subscribers. Therefore it does not break any Kickstarter rules.
"... no game in sight that resembles the original Kickstarter game..." ---> The multi-module demo you saw during the Manchester and Cologne events. Soon to be played by the backers too.
If you do not want a refund and do not want to accept the CIG TOS you will never be able to play the game as the game simply does not start without you accepting the TOS. You will be (proud ?) owner of a game you support on Kickstarter, but which you obviously plan to never actually play.
I hereby thank you for altruistically supporting the Star Citizen crowdfunding campaign without ever wanting to play the game yourself. Thank you !
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Two things Roberts and Erillion does is play word and number games. Just so it fits into their way of thinking and how the company is never wrong. Just no reason to ever respond to them when they write stuff, in their head it will always be true even though it is nothing but BS!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
and you seem to be as incapable to admit that Erillion actually have some points every now and then
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When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Your assumption is that a "broken" clock is a clock where the arms aren't moving. Maybe the arms are moving and there's no way to reset the clock, in which case it would never be correct. Just saying that we tend to make a lot of assumptions about things without knowing anything, really. This case is a perfect example.
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Funny thing about the Kickstarter project: Roberts had been publicly dissing Kickstarter before setting up his own, personal donation site. Which promptly crashed. So much for the great programmer. With no contingencies set up to handle things, Roberts went to the recently impuned Kickstarter to help handle the money vacuuming. Of course, he stated that he only did it due to requests by interested parties. Very much CYA, as it could not be independently checked. The CR formula.
To me, it also shows he had no clue as to the popularity of the genre, or the desperation of its fans. His aim was very low, and probably was just a stopgap after the cratering of his Hollywood career. Now, of course, it's the Golden Goose. Ooh, they should definitely have a spaceship with that name. Wonder what it's jpeg would sell for?
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Where have I been. . here. . playing other games. . waiting for something substantial to come out, not just demos of modules. I would have liked them to release something as a core game and then build on that through the extra money. I was hoping for a game withing a reasonable amount of time from what was stated.
I get what happened but you keep saying they didn't miss a deadline. . I feel they did. You answer of "no" is just as biased and subjective as someone else's "yes". I don't think either is wrong.
You sound a bit angry and sarcastic in your response. I know that you follow this game closely and spend a lot of time here. I don't. I work and have a family. I don't read everything in my in box from a game I have backed until they send me a link to some form of playable game. I just don't have the time. I read the heading and a few sentences and then decide whether to read more. Its a hobby.
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The Weekly news update is out. I recommend to watch the two videos about Ship UI upgrades (Constellation UI FTW) and Audio flyby sounds (its like hearing where your enemy is during a dogfight - cool IMHO).
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Star Citizen is like a bod soap opera with the people who funded it`s money,lol.
so glad i never gave them a cent,lol.Weekly news update, with news about the ship UI system, the IFCS Flight Modes – SCM (Space Combat Maneuvering), Precision and Cruise - and the component handling system (Re: ex-"Sticky Fingers" system). Also a look at the Cryo refueling station.
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No one forces you to buy anything, simple fact. You don't have to buy food, you can go hunt it or grow it. I choose to buy it from the store, it's easier. You don't have to buy games, there are quite possibly millions of other ways to spend your free time.
Your 'once upon a time' (spelling corrected btw) point is only slightly true. While I agree there are pay to win games around, I personally do not play those. So if you do, then rest easy I am not there buying my way to the top. If you do, you should also be aware that you are feeding into that system and putting yourself into a bad position. Again, your fault and problem, not mine. The games I do play are pretty even. You can pay to look cool but that is about it, and you can't really get anything beyond that with rl cash.
In closing, no assumptions were made. Note my use of the word 'If". Not saying you are this or you are that, because I really don't know you. I am only speaking to the points you put out there.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
A look at the "Million Mile High" club in Star Citizen. Thats not concept art .. its already existing in the CIG internal testing version of the game ...shown during anniversary livestream. They move around a bit in the club.
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First 1000 players (the most active from the playtesting feedback forum) have access to Alpha 2.0 mini-PTU starting today. They do the stress-testing, after the 22 QA employees of CIG have done their tasks. I guess we will see the first Youtube videos from players soon.
CIG plans to add more and more players every week, going for greater and greater stress tests.
Core FPS functionality is in place (thats FPS fighting for you ... so people can start shooting each other :-)
The first two multi-crew ships are available ... Constellation and Retaliator.
There will be 22 different random encounters.
3 space stations.
Lots of com satellites to defend and repair.
Respawn is much faster on the Crusader map. Permadeath switched off for now. Port Olisar is the (re)spawn point. You get a new testing ship quickly ... and no, you cannot keep those testing ships for the Persistent Universe.
Here is about 5 min of Alpha 2.0 gameplay
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Why do people follow this person? He is clearly not all there...go look at his Twitter feed, the man sounds like a loon...a desperate loon now that once again he is completely wrong on his "prediction". Just remember people according to DS - this game would never see the light of day - ever.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.