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  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by MITSoxFan

    It's a shame when a company had to literally steal technology to develop a game. Even worse is that DnL, although the terrain is great, will end up being a pimple on _Pix_ career. And it's pretty obvious they did. The only redeeming quality of the game is the terrain. It's hard to believe that anyone in house there currently had anything to do with it.
    As is the case with Click and Buy (though to a lesser extent), I feel for you _Pix_. Tough to be involved with a bunch of lowlife, scamming, lying scum.
    As Cho said, Karma.


    I have to disagree here. I think this all has and will continue to make _Pix_ more well known in GOOD sense! His development is obviously top rate. The ONLY thing that has been offered constant praise. With the right group (aka intelligent, experienced and knowledgeable devs/programmers) I think _Pix_ will do even better than he hoped simply by the acclaimation ALONE in the DNL fiasco.

    The NPC/Farlan/AD team will go down in flames and welp, _Pix_ will be the one rising outta the ashes (if he hasnt already started!)

    Hmm, sounds dreamy dont it?  LOL I just wish the best for him and do NOT look at his product as having been hurt at all by this DNL crap. If anything, it got his name around the industry in a GOOD light. Just the opposite of the ones who are stealing it and acting like total bumbling juvenile delinquents.

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276


    Originally posted by virtuella
    Good luck winning.
    Let's hope their lawyer is just as good at his work as Farlan is.
    Then it should be an easy victory for you.




    Well I highly doubt they hired bad lawyers since some of the shareholders of Farlan and NPCube are members of the richest families of Reunion Island, which BTW is one the county which counts the richest fortunes of France.  

    This is the very reason why I first thought the project was given strong chances of success, since it benefited solid investors and right from the start used technologies that already served in the gaming industry for the client part. But as it turns out apparently the goal was not "only" to develop an MMORPG, but try to create added value on one of these tech which doesn't belong to NPCube, nor its investors. Remember how Vuuar himself said that "money was not a problem" for NPCube, which claimed on the other hand being a small team with talent but limited means, huh? 

    So believe me, being within one's rights is one thing, but you need to watch on all sides when you have to defend yourself against that kind of people. That's why, after having hit myself to such an obstacle I finally made the choice of communicating publicly in 2005, within the limits of what I can safely tell, even though "some" might say I am harassing the community.      

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276


    Originally posted by Kilim
    I personally like this parts that I have not seen yet.


    http://www.mmorpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10077&newsid=27731

    Dark and Light: VWorld Terrain Technology

    (PC: MMORPG) | Posted by Dhruin @ Friday - April 23, 2004 - 08:04 - Top
    Add a comment | Game Info | Rate this game | Homepage | ScreenshotsThe official Dark and Light site is highlighting VWorld - the technology responsible for terrain rendering in DnL. It "generates terrain, renders vegetation or implements weather condition changes, among other things"; follow the link to check it out.



    http://steff.free.fr/url050704.htm










    VWorld - the technology responsible for terrain rendering in DnL

    Friday, April 23, 2004

     
    "VWorld" is the terrain technology integrated into DnL's "Mafate" game engine.

    To know more about the way it generates terrain, renders vegetation or implements weather condition changes, among other things, have a look at http://www.vworldpowered.com/.



    Notice the dates on those bad boys :D




    I just translated the new addition in your website via Babelfish because I don't speak or read french.
    I know Babelfish is not great in translation but its the best I can do right now.

    Did I just read it right that you got an inspector or Judge to go to NPCube on June 9, 2006 and that you guys did in fact found what was you are looking for, and that it is proof they are using your IP?




    Yes you are correct, upon Court order three bailiffs came to NPCube to verify if the devs were still making use of VWT or not. Answer is yes. They still use algorithms I wrote between 1996 and 2002, against the official request I made that they stop using these. This is of course a total violation of my IP and beyond that.

    I know this is boring but the reason why I don't want to add an official English translation to my website is that I am having it scrutinized by my lawyer and I won't risk a translation issue: this may potentially open the door to sueing me for slander.     

    Is this a forum bug? need to add a line to make sure the entire text can be read.

    yes... seems to be a bug.

  • AlouisiousAlouisious Member Posts: 201
    not boring in the least, in fact, quite the opposite. Fascinating read. Good luck to you _Pix_ and I have to agree, keep us informed!
  • DairodDairod Member Posts: 60


    Originally posted by IKShadow

    Yes Pix keep spamming same info over and over again ...
    Just do something about it or stfu ....
    Who cares about your winning ..
    I bet Pix will be still here in year 2008 with all same info spamming around how his precious engine was stolen how his old partner stole from him too ...
    The man must have a lot of free time, wonder why he has his ultimate enigine that no one use now...
    Try to sell it you will get more out of it then all this winning on all public forums like chield ...
    IKShadow, bot#04, version 0.8.12




    Dont be afraid man.

    Even if the court close down DnL due to IP steal theres a lot more MMORPG's out there where you could reform your current guild of exploiters.

    ah? no..it is true..in the rest of MMORPG is harder to exploit since they dont have 1.000.000 bugs like DnL.

    DnL is YOUR game.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by IKShadow

    Who cares about your winning ..
    Try to sell it you will get more out of it then all this winning on all public forums like chield ...
    IKShadow, bot#04, version 0.8.12



    ayup, you got that right IKS. WINNING is the key word!! WOOT!
  • tetsultetsul Member Posts: 1,020


    Originally posted by IKShadow

    I bet Pix will be still here in year 2008 with all same info spamming around how his precious engine was stolen how his old partner stole from him too ...



    If he's still here talking about it in 2008 he'll have to start all his posts "Anyone remember that game DnL?"
  • KilimKilim Member Posts: 546
    Why does IK keep trying to hijack a thread even after some proof has been shown multiple times yet he keeps asking for proof?

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  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443


    Originally posted by Kilim
    Why does IK keep trying to hijack a thread even after some proof has been shown multiple times yet he keeps asking for proof?



    desperation?

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  • Originally posted by Cholayna

    Originally posted by IKShadow

    Who cares about your winning ..
    Try to sell it you will get more out of it then all this winning on all public forums like chield ...
    IKShadow, bot#04, version 0.8.12


    ayup, you got that right IKS. WINNING is the key word!! WOOT!


    HAH!!!! Go IKS Go! A spelling slip mayhaps?

    It dont matter, the more he and the others try to deny any of this, the more it makes them look like little weasels as it is. Believing that since now alot of people know about it in conjunction with their game will make it unmarketable is completely ignorant, arrogant and downright idiotic! Basically saying "we know our game is shit, and this is the best thing we got in it but you wouldnt want to use it cuz it is associated with the worst game in mmorpg history but we believe the game to be the best thing since well..sex..and it will be..as long as _Pix_ shuts up about us stealing his work - if he doesnt shut up about it, well then hes just ruining it for himself because our game is shit but dont say that - our game is the pall's balls unless you tell the truth.

    wtf? WINNING ALL THE WAY _PIX_!

  • GraljGralj Member Posts: 18


    Originally posted by _Pix_

    Originally posted by virtuella

    Good luck winning.
    Let's hope their lawyer is just as good at his work as Farlan is.
    Then it should be an easy victory for you.



    Well I highly doubt they hired bad lawyers since some of the shareholders of Farlan and NPCube are members of the richest families of Reunion Island, which BTW is one the county which counts the richest fortunes of France.  

    This is the very reason why I first thought the project was given strong chances of success, since it benefited solid investors and right from the start used technologies that already served in the gaming industry for the client part. But as it turns out apparently the goal was not "only" to develop an MMORPG, but try to create added value on one of these tech which doesn't belong to NPCube, nor its investors. Remember how Vuuar himself said that "money was not a problem" for NPCube, which claimed on the other hand being a small team with talent but limited means, huh? 

    So believe me, being within one's rights is one thing, but you need to watch on all sides when you have to defend yourself against that kind of people. That's why, after having hit myself to such an obstacle I finally made the choice of communicating publicly in 2005, within the limits of what I can safely tell, even though "some" might say I am harassing the community.      



    Intresting this means it will take a while for them to go bankrupt. But if they have these resrouces why don´t they build a larger team with professional developers? Nice information you´re sharing here Pix thanks.

    Best regards,
    Gralj

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by Gralj
    Intresting this means it will take a while for them to go bankrupt. But if they have these resrouces why don´t they build a larger team with professional developers? Nice information you´re sharing here Pix thanks.


    Good point. My guess is the devs are simply too ignorant, too arrogant, too greedy and too damn senseless to use any money to bring in more ppl for a real dev team.
  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276


    Originally posted by Gralj
    Intresting this means it will take a while for them to go bankrupt. But if they have these resrouces why don´t they build a larger team with professional developers? Nice information you´re sharing here Pix thanks.


    I think they will do all they can to avoid going bankrupt. Question of image.

    But to answer your question, well ... What if they quite simply have problems finding a professional  team who would accept to work for them now? In our industry, granted, you'd better find solid funds to back your project, but the main point to make it a success is a strong team toppled with a sound management. Seeking the advice of the professional developers in your team and trust their good judgement is not absolute nonsense to me, especially if you bring the money and you have no particular expertise in the video game sector. Video game creator/game designer is not a job you can handle only because you used to play EQ1 a lot... and anyway, you cannot manage a team if you don't respect people and the job they do. Why do you think more than 10 profesional developers quit the between 2004 and 2005? Can you imagine real developers not paying attention to their warez attitude and willing to work for people who don't even respect IP rights? 

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by _Pix_

    But to answer your question, well ... What if they quite simply have problems finding a professional  team who would accept to work for them now? In our industry, granted, you'd better find solid funds to back your project, but the main point to make it a success is a strong team toppled with a sound management. Seeking the advice of the professional developers in your team and trust their good judgement is not absolute nonsense to me, especially if you bring the money and you have no particular expertise in the video game sector. Video game creator/game designer is not a job you can handle only because you used to play EQ1 a lot... and anyway, you cannot manage a team if you don't respect people and the job they do. Why do you think more than 10 profesional developers quit the between 2004 and 2005? Can you imagine real developers not paying attention to their warez attitude and willing to work for people who don't even respect IP rights? 


    Aye, gotta agree with you on that one. It may be near impossible for them now to find anyone willing to associate themselves with the game or work with them when they oh so obviously dont have any respect for anyone, much less their own game.

    And yes, I can see them doing whatever they can to NOT claim bankruptcy - wouldnt look good LOL Thing is, they already have made themselves look like utter fools, dont know how much further they can go on that scale unless we start getting into negative numbers lol. Declaring bankruptcy would in fact at least show ppl that there is *some* sense in their heads.

    I didnt know that 10 (!) had already left the team. Didnt know it was that many. Wow, thats alot of ppl. How many are left? lol

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276


    Originally posted by Cholayna

    Originally posted by _Pix_

    But to answer your question, well ... What if they quite simply have problems finding a professional  team who would accept to work for them now? In our industry, granted, you'd better find solid funds to back your project, but the main point to make it a success is a strong team toppled with a sound management. Seeking the advice of the professional developers in your team and trust their good judgement is not absolute nonsense to me, especially if you bring the money and you have no particular expertise in the video game sector. Video game creator/game designer is not a job you can handle only because you used to play EQ1 a lot... and anyway, you cannot manage a team if you don't respect people and the job they do. Why do you think more than 10 profesional developers quit the between 2004 and 2005? Can you imagine real developers not paying attention to their warez attitude and willing to work for people who don't even respect IP rights? 



    Aye, gotta agree with you on that one. It may be near impossible for them now to find anyone willing to associate themselves with the game or work with them when they oh so obviously dont have any respect for anyone, much less their own game.

    And yes, I can see them doing whatever they can to NOT claim bankruptcy - wouldnt look good LOL Thing is, they already have made themselves look like utter fools, dont know how much further they can go on that scale unless we start getting into negative numbers lol. Declaring bankruptcy would in fact at least show ppl that there is *some* sense in their heads.

    I didnt know that 10 (!) had already left the team. Didnt know it was that many. Wow, thats alot of ppl. How many are left? lol


    You see this picture http://www.npcube.com/html/images/team.jpg from the official NPCube's Web site http://www.npcube.com/html/management.htm ?

    This is a picture of the original team. Only 4 are left, but apparently they did not find it necessary to take another one. NPCube seems to like the idea of promoting everything that was from that period.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by _Pix_
    You see this picture http://www.npcube.com/html/images/team.jpg from the official NPCube's Web site http://www.npcube.com/html/management.htm ?

    This is a picture of the original team. Only 4 are left, but apparently they did not find it necessary to take another one. NPCube seems to like the idea of promoting everything that was from that period.


    Wow. Thats alot of ppl to have left. And yes, they should update it. They seem to like living in the past. Even the game shows the talent and extent of something years ago, not the sleek style of the present that many games, even old ones, have updated to. The thing is , dont they understand that the more they do not update, etc. it just makes them look that much worse too!!

     Explains alot as to what is happening with it now. But the little bios on them would tend to make you believe they have the tech smarts -- however -- as the game stands, it tells the real story. My gawd _Pix_, the only thing they got going in this game is your development. How do they think they can pull this game around without the experience, talent, knowledge or even a true team!?! Looks more and more like a soaking sponge for ppl to be taken for their money and left to truly experience the "biggest mmo fiasco in mmorpg history". And doing it with the sales pitch of your development!

  • GraljGralj Member Posts: 18
    Sorry, missclick...


    Best regards,
    Gralj

  • lysandinglysanding Member Posts: 154
    pix instead of posting your shit all over the internet constantly why don't you go hire a lawyer and actually do something about it already. They've been using this stuff since 2005 and neither you nor your lawyer has done anything to anyone yet and i don't think you ever will. 
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by lysanding
    pix instead of posting your shit all over the internet constantly why don't you go hire a lawyer and actually do something about it already. They've been using this stuff since 2005 and neither you nor your lawyer has done anything to anyone yet and i don't think you ever will. 

    Read the posts Lysanding ----- he has. If all you have to do is insult ppl who show the real truth of this game, please go back to DNL forums where your attitude is more accepted. (oh and learn the read the threads before posting your flames, it really doesnt help your posts)
  • KilimKilim Member Posts: 546


    Originally posted by lysanding
    pix instead of posting your shit all over the internet constantly why don't you go hire a lawyer and actually do something about it already. They've been using this stuff since 2005 and neither you nor your lawyer has done anything to anyone yet and i don't think you ever will. 

    Remember the old commercial about RIF?


    R eading
    I s
    F undamental

    He did state he has been doing soemthing about it.

    You can even see it in the reply of mine translating what Pix has posted in his site from french to english via Babelfish.
    Heres a short summary for you.


    http://perso.orange.fr/pourieux/Edito.htm#Le23juin2006

    This is as well as Mister Judges it
    Court of Holy Denis of the Meeting authorized me to do a report by way
    of usher within the local ones of the corporation NPCube June 9 2006. 
    It springs of this report that the corporation NPCube always uses to
    this day the algorithms of the technology VWorldTerrain such as they
    already existed in 2002

    I know its a rough translation but you can pretty much guess what is happening in the rough translation.
    BTW, have any of you ever gone through ANY legal procedures?
    It can take YEARS to have something finalized in ANY legal matter.

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  • IKShadowIKShadow Member UncommonPosts: 783

    hehe nice to see you guys belive everything he post.
    Once he get tired of it he will post: "I won at court and got compensated"

    Cholayna: yap it was a typo "WINNING"  ( I would answear sooner but I was banned " mybe for not have same views as "hatebois" and  Pix or that S**U ...)

    Iam making my own hate site http://www.IKShadowBotVsPourieux.com where I will prove he actualy stole his enigne from me. ( I wont do it in word like pix : http://perso.orange.fr/pourieux/  .. or offical vworldterrain enigne site: http://www.vworldpowered.com/Gb/GB.htm )

    OK back to topic:
    4 Pix
    Did NP3 bougth any rights from project Eingana owners ?

    And I just wonder how much of "your" enigne was developed/improved by you and other NP3 devs while you was on payroll.

    p.s. Who paid you for Eingana project ... hehe you need to write email to those guys and you will see what nice they will have to say about Pix and his "rights" ( I bet he wont post it )

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  • jandrsnjandrsn Member Posts: 187

    "Stole his engine from you"??  Color me confused me IK; is this some odd form of humor?  A slip of the tongue from a higher up in the DnL staff, finally showing that a 'poster' is an insider trying to perfomr damage control?  Conspiracy theorists eat this kind of stuff up. 

    Anyways, about believing every word he has posted....

    Well, it sure looks like he has started the legal ball rolling.  It sure looks like DnL can't figure out how to properly program 'their' code, the whole fix one thing to break three others ( if they manage to fix the original problem that is).  It sure looks like Pix's current company is doing just fine selling his vworld program, and I haven't heard or seen any attempts by Farlan/NP3 to sue HIM for IP theft go anywhere.

    Not being personally involved in the case, I'm sure I'm not privy to all the facts here, but what I have seen sure points me at least to put an awful lot more weight behind what Pix says over what DnL has said.

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    hehe nice to see you guys belive everything he post.
    Once he get tired of it he will post: "I won at court and got compensated"

    Don't worry, you will be informed as soon as I win the case. Be patient.
    Iam making my own hate site http://www.IKShadowBotVsPourieux.com where I will prove he actualy stole his enigne from me. ( I wont do it in word like pix : http://perso.orange.fr/pourieux/  .. or offical vworldterrain enigne site: http://www.vworldpowered.com/Gb/GB.htm )
    First, I recommend you to develop and fund a technology all by yourself (if you can). Then you work with a team on a game and give them the right to use your technology for that game (let's say an MMORPG).
    Then, you wait a bit and if you are "lucky", your new partners will soon say you developed the technology for them, even if you have all the proofs this is not true and you developed it prior to working with them.
    Then you will be able to hire a laywer and to open your own website telling the story.
    But first, IKShadow, don't forget  to create a technology and to make a few games with it before. (the strategy does not work otherwise). Good luck!
    OK back to topic:
    4 Pix
    Did NP3 bougth any rights from project Eingana owners ?

    No. But Farlan bought in 2003 the name Eingana and the rights to use the library called Scaper to develop Eingana 1.5 (the second version of the game). This library cannot be used without my consent since it cannot be used without VWorldTerrain's algorithms. You can of course  say I'm a liar and believe the people who are telling they developed and bought all this stuff (the same people who announced they sued me and already won, according to you, remember?)
    And I just wonder how much of "your" enigne was developed/improved by you and other NP3 devs while you was on payroll.
    Nobody worked at NPCube on VWorldTerrain technology (not "engine", I never said the technology was an engine). It was working fine, no need to work on it at the time (and BTW it is still working fine and it IS improved and is now USED in a simulation engine called vieWTerra which works fine too). The goal of NPCube was to develop a game, not a technology.
    p.s. Who paid you for Eingana project ... hehe you need to write email to those guys and you will see what nice they will have to say about Pix and his "rights" ( I bet he wont post it )
    Nobody ordered the Eingana project. Two companies co-produced that product in 2001: my company and MSAT (the company providing the satellite databases). I don't see your point except to spread again false rumors, but I suggest you open a website www.IKShadowHatesPix.com rather than a site trying to explain you made a technology. At least, people will believe you.
  • ZvorakZvorak Member Posts: 234


    Originally posted by IKShadow

    hehe nice to see you guys belive everything he post.
    Once he get tired of it he will post: "I won at court and got compensated"
    Cholayna: yap it was a typo "WINNING"  ( I would answear sooner but I was banned " mybe for not have same views as "hatebois" and  Pix or that S**U ...)
    Iam making my own hate site http://www.IKShadowBotVsPourieux.com where I will prove he actualy stole his enigne from me. ( I wont do it in word like pix : http://perso.orange.fr/pourieux/  .. or offical vworldterrain enigne site: http://www.vworldpowered.com/Gb/GB.htm )
    OK back to topic:
    4 Pix
    Did NP3 bougth any rights from project Eingana owners ?
    And I just wonder how much of "your" enigne was developed/improved by you and other NP3 devs while you was on payroll.
    p.s. Who paid you for Eingana project ... hehe you need to write email to those guys and you will see what nice they will have to say about Pix and his "rights" ( I bet he wont post it )



    Wow... another fanboi/shill that hasn't been following Dark & Light for a few years.. comes on board and loves the game starts a massive guild and thinks he is someone.

    Dude, where have you been.. this stuff has been going on for YEARS. The time line with V-Terrain and Pix's tech is unquestionable and how I remember it... but what does that have to do with attacking Pix or defending NPtards ..?

    Facts are facts, your only ruining your already tarnished reputation trying to defend NPTard/Farklan...   Look at it this way.. what does Pix have to gain by going to court against an already broke, washed-up company..?? 

    Dark & Light it an ultimate fiasco.. anyone who is still PAYING for it is absolutly a retard or a newbie to the MMORPG genre' ..!  You have no credit and your arguments only solidify that your all over Vuur's penis. Do you and Ztyx pull out the baby oil and give him a massage everynight too..?

    -Zvorak

  • MITSoxFanMITSoxFan Member Posts: 92
    Once again, the decision comes down to believing Pix, who has yet to be proven a liar, or to believe Farlan/NPC who have done nothing but lie, cheat and steal.

    This is somewhat of a no-brainer, IK, so for you to believe otherwise must mean....


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