Well shoot y'all, I for one appreciate the ignorant (read 'hasnt learned yet and mayhaps never wil) posts by IKS about this, I truly do!
Each time he posts -- he bumps the thread.
Each time he posts - he only makes _Pix_ look more credible.
Each time he posts - he only makes himself look more INcredible.
The way _Pix_ explains things it also makes it quite apparent that his (pix) claims are indeed valid with many links for proof of his words. Much like the DNL fans, IKS cant seem to see, or absolutely refuses to see, the truth in their faces and in black and white clarity. He prefers instead to come to this board, come to _Pix_'s thread and try to gank him..constantly. Its okay tho, like i said, it bumps the thread, allows for _Pix_ to come out with even more indepth information and makes IKS look like ..well.....(insert your own word here).
Cheers again to you _Pix_ and gosh, cheers to you too IKS!
Well, this is my first post here, although Ive read these boards for a while.
Its interesting to see IK posts in this thread.he is also garnering attention on the official forum, for being in constant contact with devs via msn , and using inside knowledge to get his guild members preferential treatment.
Of course, this could be taken as sufficient evidence to beleive IK is being prompted by Farlan in his responses here, if one were to take his stance on the subject of course.
Its very interesting he tries very hard to turn this thread into a flame war and ridicule pix rather than refute the points with facts.
Originally posted by Valetman Its very interesting he tries very hard to turn this thread into a flame war and ridicule pix rather than refute the points with facts.
Aye read most of all his other posts and thats his standard mode-of-operandi here at these boards. Lotsa huff and gruff with nothing behind it. Hes been called out in nearly every one and still he persists. HAH! Hes has even resorted to calling some of us "brownnosing" _pix_ -- 0.0 -- for whatever reason only he can relate to. LOL
Originally posted by Cholayna Originally posted by Valetman Its very interesting he tries very hard to turn this thread into a flame war and ridicule pix rather than refute the points with facts.
Aye read most of all his other posts and thats his standard mode-of-operandi here at these boards. Lotsa huff and gruff with nothing behind it. Hes been called out in nearly every one and still he persists. HAH! Hes has even resorted to calling some of us "brownnosing" _pix_ -- 0.0 -- for whatever reason only he can relate to. LOL
Called out ? on what
All Iam saying he is same kind of BS like Farlan is. For past 2 years he claims his engine was stoled, but on the other hand he did not post or said to you that that "his engine" did belong to owner of Enignana project. ( they just gave up on him... send them email and ask them )
Facts: 1. He was NP3 partner ( not just employe ) and to become partner you need to bring something in that partnership. ( like his procedual terrain knowledge ) 2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there ) 3. DnL used VWORLD terain in first betas ( leteron they claimed that it was rewriten.. and its probably BS too) 4. Pix is a very conflict person , original owners of Enigana had dispute with him ( ask them if you dont belive me ) 5. He sued his previus partner ( and it seems he will be always in conflict with everyone he works with ) 6. His great engine in presented at site that 10 years old can make in word.
All Iam saying you are being too naive and he pull same kind of bullshit as Farlan and yes Cholyana a lot of brown noiser's here. ( )
And please did you saw in any other game or app that some dev whnningso much on forumsand act like chiled. Not only on other gaming sites but he constantly makes new user name on offical dnl boards and posting his crap there.
imo hes claim is pointless but he dont have any real work to do so he put most of his effort posting on fan sites.
p.s. Farlan is not any better ... conflicts, lies, bad bussinees...
All Iam saying he is same kind of BS like Farlan is. For past 2 years he claims his engine was stoled, but on the other hand he did not post or said to you that that "his engine" did belong to owner of Enignana project. ( they just gave up on him... send them email and ask them )
Facts: 1. He was NP3 partner ( not just employe ) and to become partner you need to bring something in that partnership. ( like his procedual terrain knowledge ) 2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there ) 3. DnL used VWORLD terain in first betas ( leteron they claimed that it was rewriten.. and its probably BS too) 4. Pix is a very conflict person , original owners of Enigana had dispute with him ( ask them if you dont belive me ) 5. He sued his previus partner ( and it seems he will be always in conflict with everyone he works with ) 6. His great engine in presented at site that 10 years old can make in word.
All Iam saying you are being too naive and he pull same kind of bullshit as Farlan and yes Cholyana a lot of brown noiser's here. ( )
And please did you saw in any other game or app that some dev whnning so much on forums and act like chiled. Not only on other gaming sites but he constantly makes new user name on offical dnl boards and posting his crap there.
imo hes claim is pointless but he dont have any real work to do so he put most of his effort posting on fan sites.
p.s. Farlan is not any better ... conflicts, lies, bad bussinees...
Dude, are you 9 years old..?
Pix already explained those things, either your calling him a lier -or- you don't understand what he said.
Here, let me refresh you memory:
1996: first procedural algorithms written as independent developer
1997: set-up of CPU Software company to go on developing V-world tech and sell services based on it.
1999: release of first game using V-world: a car race called Speed Demons
2000: first show at E3 of a mock-up of the entire Earth in real-time 3D, making use of V-world tech
2001: development of a software library called Scaper , making use of V-world tech, to make an edutaiment product presenting a simulation of the entire Earth in real-time 3D ; Scaper is developed in partnership with EMG studio; second showing of V-world's whole Earth rendering capabilities at E3.
beginning 2002: release of the Eingana edutainment product, in partnership with MSat/EMG/Hachette companies
You see he developed and started his own company way before Dark & Light was imagined. He also had a few OTHER partnerships aswell using this same technology. Somewhere along the line someon (ie Farlan)saw his technology and decided they might be able to make a MMORPG using it... Thus:
mid 2002-beg 2003: sold as CPU Softwareservices: part of V-world used in Mafate game engine for the needs of the Dark and Light project.
October 2002: Set-up of NPCube company and recruiting/forming of a dev team
Do you know how to READ..?
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As for this post... why did you ask :
" 2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there.)-IKSahdow "
Why did you ask that... did you not read his previous post saying:
" No. But Farlan bought in 2003 the name Eingana and the rights to use the library called Scaper to develop Eingana 1.5 (the second version of the game). This library cannot be used without my consent since it cannot be used without VWorldTerrain's algorithms. You can of course say I'm a liar and believe the people who are telling they developed and bought all this stuff (the same people who announced they sued me and already won, according to you, remember?)"
NP3 didn't buy the rights to Enigana, they bought the right to it's NAME... and the rights to use scraper. Are you that retarded you just cannot comprehend this, or are you simply a shill stirring things up here without a logical debate.. or a pin-point accusation...?
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His (Pix) lively hood is at stake he has the right to be emotional, but nothing I have read does Pix Waiver on his story or intent. Court proceeding take a long time and there are many govermental hoops you must jump threw to actually have your day in courts.
As for your insinuating that he makes up secondary accounts..etc. I've never seen this.. can you point us all to a post that is Pix's using another account..?
Who cares what his web-site looks like... how does that refute anything he has said. It sound to me like you personally don't like him BECAUSE you personally HATE him for personally doing someting to you... perhaps like leaving your company. Yes.. I am calling you a Shill !! Your posts are too personal and your starting to post things that don't matter to the debate... whats next, you going to post and complain about his haircut ..?
Those are personal attacks... thus we all know that you are a Farlon chode'boi. You simply cannot be argueing about Pix's dealing and litigation against Farlan/NP3 or pointing out inaccuracies. Your trying to discredit him.
Originally posted by IKShadow 1. He was NP3 partner ( not just employe ) and to become partner you need to bring something in that partnership. ( like his procedual terrain knowledge ) No. I brang money, nothing else. 2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there ) Wrong. 3. DnL used VWORLD terain in first betas ( leteron they claimed that it was rewriten.. and its probably BS too) DnL still makes use of VWT 4. Pix is a very conflict person , original owners of Enigana had dispute with him ( ask them if you dont belive me ) I am one of the original owner 5. He sued his previus partner ( and it seems he will be always in conflict with everyone he works with ) Yes, and I won 6. His great engine in presented at site that 10 years old can make in word. thanks. FYI, I'm 38. Makes me feel younger!
All the rest is also pure non-sense. You should ask Farlan/NPCube for a wages rise, since it's not convincing enough again, or maybe they should hire somebody else.
IKS, you oughta know by now sweetiekins, that you need proof behind your words here in this board.
Show me proof of your claims.
And btw -- _Pix_ DID sue his former partner because the former partner stole money from the company. ANY BIZ OWNER WOULD DO SO. Trying to make this out that he is legal happy is completely asinine.
I can see your comprehension of the posts at this board is still low and has not improved in all these months. Gee IKS, you are right on par with the DNL game!
It would seem to me that in order to "brown-nose" , there would have to be some "gain" to doing so. I dont see what possible "gain" we could all get by admiring the work he has done. Could you please enlighten us all then by exposing the "gain" we brownnosers are expecting?
Does it hurt you so badly that he is a respected developer of some awesome technology? Why does it concern you so badly? If you are nothing more than a dedicated player, why do you even bother with the "bs" then? Its common knowledge now what NPFleece did to him. Is that what has you all worked up?
As well, he is NOT the only one that left NPFleece. SEVERAL members quit that NPFleece team.(He is simply one who had his OWN technology.) Seems to me the probs you are trying to place on _Pix_ are in fact probs that are better secured from the source ---- NPFleece founder. No one seems able to work with him or the nutshell team that is left. _Pix_ has nothing to do with that. You gotta wonder whats wrong with the leadership of a team when over half jump ship.
And timing, you speak about 2 years --- welllll, didnt DNL go live now? Seems to me that is the perfect and most logical time for someone to claim that the game is using his technology without his permission and is garnering, or trying to garner (LOL) profits from its use. Hmmm....ayup....tell the world what liars, cheats and scumbags NPFleece are when they announce a launch ----follow the announcements delay after delay and ah yes...launch day! Bring in the legal team for _Pix_ side (he has already gotten court ordered proof of the use of his technology in the engine) and viola --- the wheels of justice are slow but heavy and do not stray from their path. Its a matter of time.
Not only will DNL die a wimpy ash and wreckage-strewn death but will then have the humiliation of being stomped in the ground in the court system. Hmmm, is this why you so angry???
Originally posted by IKShadow All Iam saying he is same kind of BS like Farlan is.
The reason why people dont think Pix is all BS is because Pix has never lied (or been caught lying if you wish) to the public. Farlan on the other hand is a.... well, I dont want my post to be deleted so Ill just say with understatement that he has been lying a LOT to the public. Then again, your statements contradict Pix's, and who you might be? One of the owners? One of the developers? Loyal D&L fan? Local drug dealer? We dont know you, therefore your statments have no real validity if one of the original owners/partners/devs post their statements contradicting yours.
The only way for us to NOT believe Pix is if he is caught lying several times, or if pre-D&L Farlan would post statments contradicting Pix's. So far Pix hasnt lied to us, and since we cannot control time I doubt pre-D&L Farlan option is realistic. I doubt any other devs have any credibility left too (I dont know much about them except for Vuuar, and after reading several of his statements I trust me just as much as I trust Farlan).
So if you want to discredit Pix, bring some solid proof or face other people ridiculing your statements. For now, we have your word against Pix's, and atm, i'll take his word yours easily.
EDIT: grrrr, Cholayna beat me with his reply to what I was trying to say...
Originally posted by IKShadow Originally posted by Cholayna Originally posted by Valetman Its very interesting he tries very hard to turn this thread into a flame war and ridicule pix rather than refute the points with facts.
Aye read most of all his other posts and thats his standard mode-of-operandi here at these boards. Lotsa huff and gruff with nothing behind it. Hes been called out in nearly every one and still he persists. HAH! Hes has even resorted to calling some of us "brownnosing" _pix_ -- 0.0 -- for whatever reason only he can relate to. LOL
Called out ? on what
All Iam saying he is same kind of BS like Farlan is. For past 2 years he claims his engine was stoled, but on the other hand he did not post or said to you that that "his engine" did belong to owner of Enignana project. ( they just gave up on him... send them email and ask them )
Facts: 1. He was NP3 partner ( not just employe ) and to become partner you need to bring something in that partnership. ( like his procedual terrain knowledge ) 2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there ) 3. DnL used VWORLD terain in first betas ( leteron they claimed that it was rewriten.. and its probably BS too) 4. Pix is a very conflict person , original owners of Enigana had dispute with him ( ask them if you dont belive me ) 5. He sued his previus partner ( and it seems he will be always in conflict with everyone he works with ) 6. His great engine in presented at site that 10 years old can make in word.
All Iam saying you are being too naive and he pull same kind of bullshit as Farlan and yes Cholyana a lot of brown noiser's here. ( )
And please did you saw in any other game or app that some dev whnningso much on forumsand act like chiled. Not only on other gaming sites but he constantly makes new user name on offical dnl boards and posting his crap there.
imo hes claim is pointless but he dont have any real work to do so he put most of his effort posting on fan sites.
p.s. Farlan is not any better ... conflicts, lies, bad bussinees...
Please post to us proofs. We would like to see some links, letters, ANYTHING.
Farlan has lost ANY sense of credibility by lying o its fanbase of rthe last few years.
I even have made my own list before and I made sure I INCLUDED various FACTs and Links to prove my argument. All you have done so far is add "assumptions" and your own theories that just does not add up.
How and where do you come up with this ideas?
Please post to us ANY proof you have and please INCLUDE your sources.
We have done this when we are called liars so it shouldn't be hard for you to show to us ANY sort of proof also to make you allegations against Pix valid.
I personally am a big fan of people telling the truth and showing FACTS about it. IF You can do it for us then I will support you 110% and I am sure you will have others supporting you as well. But so far you have shown nothing to support your arguments.
You just come here spouting accusations over accusations that came right out of left field and makes some of us wonder where you get your info from.
Originally posted by lysanding pix instead of posting your shit all over the internet constantly why don't you go hire a lawyer and actually do something about it already. They've been using this stuff since 2005 and neither you nor your lawyer has done anything to anyone yet and i don't think you ever will.
Whoooa there chode-a'boi.
He is in litigation with Farlan/Np3. It's not like this stuff takes months.. it takes YEARS.
Originally posted by Zvorak Originally posted by lysanding pix instead of posting your shit all over the internet constantly why don't you go hire a lawyer and actually do something about it already. They've been using this stuff since 2005 and neither you nor your lawyer has done anything to anyone yet and i don't think you ever will.
Whoooa there chode-a'boi.
He is in litigation with Farlan/Np3. It's not like this stuff takes months.. it takes YEARS.
And in the meantime, DNL will die its painful death and _Pix_ will still be one coming outta this shining brightly. I honestly think thats his (IK) whole problem with this. It was horribly wrong and sleazy and unethical and weasel-like what Farceland/NPFleece did. Dirty laundry is indeed shameful and NPFleece should be ashamed. Most ppl who cant handle emotion would give the knee jerk reaction and be defensive and strike back - trying to make themselves feel better. Woulda been better for IK and the others to keep their mouths shut and simply go with what news is going out. By denying the obvious, striking back with lousy false accusations, trying to discredit _Pix_ against all the true evidence is only making them look even worse.
_Pix_ and the others here have already given all the evidence, have already discussed these very topics IK brings up over and over. With a small retention span, low comprehension and alzheimers-like memory its an effort in futility -- although his posts DO keep the thread alive and kicking and up on top.
Keep it up _Pix_ - you got a ton of ppl pulling for ya!
One more thing to note is that every accusation and falsehood told by IK, Farlan, and others within this forum is well documented and can be entered as evidence in a court of law to prove charges of liable, defamation of character, etc. As long as Pix tells the whole story here truthfully, he can go after Farlan and everyone else eho has retaliated against him by trying to discredit (defame) him and his standing in the community (since these forums are public, they are his community). Keep talkin' Farlan and IK. I wanna see how many different lawsuits you guys can earn from _Pix_.
Originally posted by Zorvan One more thing to note is that every accusation and falsehood told by IK, Farlan, and others within this forum is well documented and can be entered as evidence in a court of law to prove charges of liable, defamation of character, etc. As long as Pix tells the whole story here truthfully, he can go after Farlan and everyone else eho has retaliated against him by trying to discredit (defame) him and his standing in the community (since these forums are public, they are his community). Keep talkin' Farlan and IK. I wanna see how many different lawsuits you guys can earn from _Pix_.
Exactly!!!
Further proof for him, all good for him. Can you imagine the STACKS of evidence he already has? They just keep feeding it! Ppl too damned stupid to see it!
(I still wanna know who Ellera or whatever that guy/gal's name is)
I tried to refute the lies that are spread at the DNL in regards to this topic. Since I do not frequent the DNL boards I did not know this was as wide spread as it was nor did I know that a supposed thread had been made about a "taboo topic".There is no forum rule that specifically states this topic must not be discussed. There is no informational "sticky" regarding this topic as a banned topic.
I have read the information not only here but also on other boards and I believe it to be the complete truth as there is quite the proof that the developer of VWorld has produced. I refuted the statements of the other posters at DNL and was unceremoniously falsely accused and permanently banned.
I was banned for relating the truth of the situation as it stands now in public knowledge. I was also accused of being a few other people. There was no warning. There was no discussion. I am not those other people they stated I was. I have one account and one account only.
This action by the people at the DNL forums is uncalled for and woefully unprofessional. I do believe also that this action only further directs the reader to question the stand this company has taken regarding the situation. I do not see how hiding this information or discrediting if you will, shows a professional attitude by the staff at DNL. It makes it more evident that the developer of VWorld is indeed the victim of a team of unethical businessmen. I will also agree that the evident lies that have been circulated by the staff at DNL have, can and will further only advance the course of the VWorld owner.
Since I was treated as such, I have copied and sent to my credit card company the permanent ban post by the DNL staff and therefore requested a refund of all moneys paid along with the obvious reasons of an unplayable game. (I also faxed a copy of the most recent server downtime). As a side note, the customer service rep at my credit card company was incredulous of the actions and situation of this company.
Welcome Ellear, grab a seat and some popcorn. We are waiting for the curtain to go up on act two of the great Deceit and Lie trainwreck.
BTW congrats on the banning, I have unsucessfully tried numerous times with my postings and can't seem to join that elite club. I really find it ironic that they are now forum banning paying customers if I read your posting correctly.
Good job Attention Deficit, ban the paying customers. Way to make the game grow.
Ellear, guess what? THey used my colleagues names in your banning post. Coya and the others work together. They used a email account to register at the DNL site so that they had one place to get the info when they all bought the preorder (the preorder of course they used their own personal email). There is an Ellyear in the bunch, not Ellear. There was also a problem with Ellyear and his inability to log in..I am wondering now if this may have been a source for his problems? He refunded long ago. There were 6 total. 5 jumped ship in SOG with one we all agreed would stay ingame. Hes still there.
The email account is a "junk" account used at a place of business for the employee "fun" stuff. So many internet jokes, etc etc being sent to the biz accounts, we allowed a employee "junk" email account for any number of employees to access. 5 used that same email account in registering at the boards (and again but not when ordering the game) and a 6th used a personal one.
Although many posts had been made by this group, different times, different forum members, etc etc. it wasnt a problem until Aratomin made the refund threads in the beginning of SOG refuting the illegality of the "no refund" Farlan tried to pull. While this was going on, the group made other posts, etc. etc. Since they worked in different shifts, many would read and respond to what their coworker posted. All this without any problem at all...until..
Coya came in and saw that a post was made by Aratomin. It was an extremely well thought out, informative and "constructive" posts regarding the no refund policy and refuting the idea that Farlan was trying to pass out. Several other nonaffiliated persons made agreeing posts, added to it, (and of course flamed it).
Coya posted a "kudos" to Aratomin commending him on delivering correct and well written post regarding the consumer rights, refund eligibility, etc. etc. Now mind you, all this time, allllll of the group had been posting other posts in other threads, etc etc. No problems at all.
Within a day, one of the moderators locked the thread, BANNED Aratomin, accused Coya of being him and BANNED Coya. No warning, no discussion, nothing. Just like you. However, they have now added YOU to the group which is totally out of this world and I dont understand how Ellear got into the group that had Ellyear.
Makes you wonder what they have been doing with the forum registry accounts now doesnt it?
The one person left out of that group has since changed his email in the forum and was forwarded this post as well as the one made by DNL forum moderator. I do not know what he plans to do but the last thing he suggested was pulling himself from the forums altogether.
Again, makes you wonder what the hell is going on with the forum registry accounts.
Common knowledge now even among those that still have an account (albeit its unplayable) that there is problems with this engine and its due to the team that claims to have developed it yet they dont know how to make it work. I dont understand why they could not even show credit for the technology to the VWORLD company. A simple acknowledgement. They blast BW all over the place. Perhaps it all was simply a great ploy for BIGWORLD advertisement. Allowing for more experienced game techs to buy it and use it. Maybe DNL never was meant for the big time, maybe it was bw all along. :S Would certainly make more sense than them actually believing DNL would work out.
Good luck _Pix_. You deserve the good things out of this.
And you know what Alouisious? I think you are quite correct in your interpretation, the thing is the only tangible elements I've got are the various articles that inexplicably and repeatedly were mixing up BigWorld and VWORLD.
I'd really like to thank you and all the other posters of these boards who demonstrated their support and dedicated so much time trying to understand the whole story. This is a great help.
Here is the latest swipe at _pix_ from the DnL forums.
"I will also always.... ALWAYS shake my fist at that damn dev who contributed the other weather code but sabotaged it so NP Cube couldn't access it. Piroux, I will avoid any game you are involved in. " Quoted from Ansyen
Seems the ill informed masses are all thats left over there.
Anyways good luck in the court case _pix_. give em hell.
Yeah Pix, how dare u sabotage D&L weather, terrain, content, quests, login, servers, databases, capuccino mixer, vending machine, plans for world conquest, local squirrel nest and who can forget the fact that u never flush toilet after having 4 black bean tacos with lots of tobasco and hot jalapeno peppers! How dare u Sir!
Originally posted by jimmyman99 Yeah Pix, how dare u sabotage D&L weather, terrain, content, quests, login, servers, databases, capuccino mixer, vending machine, plans for world conquest, local squirrel nest and who can forget the fact that u never flush toilet after having 4 black bean tacos with lots of tobasco and hot jalapeno peppers! How dare u Sir!
hahah i can just see NP3/farlan reading that out in court aswell.
"Here we present item number A to the court" ( pile of poo from a toilet at NP3)
The judge looks at it and reply's
" Ok ive seen now what DnL has become, is there any other evidence that you wish to bring forward"
IT would appear as though they are starting the campaign against _Pix_ and VWORLD again. I would almost have to agree with Alou's ( too damned confusing to spell) post -- perhaps the marketing of BW is the main thing all along. It DOES certainly explain why the game is truly a complete failure and a huge mess.
New posts about VWORLD and new accusations against _Pix_ are sprouting up. Why? Have the devs realized, finally, that their game is a complete failure? Looking for excuses and blame other than themselves? Of course they are. No blame should be rested on the shoulders of the great GOD ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL! Its the blasphemous actions of the evil ones who have destroyed all hope within the kingdom of the glory of the GOD ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL. Sabotage? BWAHHAHAAAAAAAAA
Sigh..well, if anything, they are certainly more food for _Pix_'s feed bag to the extent that Farlan has taken this.
As for the poster asking to see the contract between _Pix_ and Farlan ----- wtf? Get a grip dude. Your post is obviously a troll attack on _Pix_ no matter how you try to dress it up. Your statements and demands are those of a twelve yr old. "oh yeh, well, well prove it ya dumbhead" sheesh, give this forum a break already.
Especially when anyone with more than one brain cell and a couple synapses still weakly firing would know that any contract betweem _Pix_ and Farawayland would be considered evidence for the upcoming court proceedings and therefore not privy to public scrutiny. Seems to be a great influx of trolls coming to Farawayland territory these days.
Originally posted by Zorvan Especially when anyone with more than one brain cell and a couple synapses still weakly firing would know that any contract betweem _Pix_ and Farawayland would be considered evidence for the upcoming court proceedings and therefore not privy to public scrutiny. Seems to be a great influx of trolls coming to Farawayland territory these days.
Ayup, out in full force again. Strictly ameteurs however. IK and DD can get yet another harassing post in here. It wont last long ...again.
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Well shoot y'all, I for one appreciate the ignorant (read 'hasnt learned yet and mayhaps never wil) posts by IKS about this, I truly do!
Each time he posts -- he bumps the thread.
Each time he posts - he only makes _Pix_ look more credible.
Each time he posts - he only makes himself look more INcredible.
The way _Pix_ explains things it also makes it quite apparent that his (pix) claims are indeed valid with many links for proof of his words. Much like the DNL fans, IKS cant seem to see, or absolutely refuses to see, the truth in their faces and in black and white clarity. He prefers instead to come to this board, come to _Pix_'s thread and try to gank him..constantly. Its okay tho, like i said, it bumps the thread, allows for _Pix_ to come out with even more indepth information and makes IKS look like ..well.....(insert your own word here).
Cheers again to you _Pix_ and gosh, cheers to you too IKS!
Well, this is my first post here, although Ive read these boards for a while.
Its interesting to see IK posts in this thread.he is also garnering attention on the official forum, for being in constant contact with devs via msn , and using inside knowledge to get his guild members preferential treatment.
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67033
Of course, this could be taken as sufficient evidence to beleive IK is being prompted by Farlan in his responses here, if one were to take his stance on the subject of course.
Its very interesting he tries very hard to turn this thread into a flame war and ridicule pix rather than refute the points with facts.
Called out ? on what
All Iam saying he is same kind of BS like Farlan is.
For past 2 years he claims his engine was stoled, but on the other hand he did not post or said to you that that "his engine" did belong to owner of Enignana project. ( they just gave up on him... send them email and ask them )
Facts:
1. He was NP3 partner ( not just employe ) and to become partner you need to bring something in that partnership. ( like his procedual terrain knowledge )
2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there )
3. DnL used VWORLD terain in first betas ( leteron they claimed that it was rewriten.. and its probably BS too)
4. Pix is a very conflict person , original owners of Enigana had dispute with him ( ask them if you dont belive me )
5. He sued his previus partner ( and it seems he will be always in conflict with everyone he works with )
6. His great engine in presented at site that 10 years old can make in word.
All Iam saying you are being too naive and he pull same kind of bullshit as Farlan and yes Cholyana a lot of brown noiser's here. ( )
And please did you saw in any other game or app that some dev whnning so much on forums and act like chiled. Not only on other gaming sites but he constantly makes new user name on offical dnl boards and posting his crap there.
imo hes claim is pointless but he dont have any real work to do so he put most of his effort posting on fan sites.
p.s. Farlan is not any better ... conflicts, lies, bad bussinees...
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Dude, are you 9 years old..?
Pix already explained those things, either your calling him a lier -or- you don't understand what he said.
Here, let me refresh you memory:
You see he developed and started his own company way before Dark & Light was imagined. He also had a few OTHER partnerships aswell using this same technology. Somewhere along the line someon (ie Farlan)saw his technology and decided they might be able to make a MMORPG using it... Thus:
Do you know how to READ..?
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As for this post... why did you ask :
" 2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there.) -IKSahdow "
Why did you ask that... did you not read his previous post saying:
" No. But Farlan bought in 2003 the name Eingana and the rights to use the library called Scaper to develop Eingana 1.5 (the second version of the game). This library cannot be used without my consent since it cannot be used without VWorldTerrain's algorithms. You can of course say I'm a liar and believe the people who are telling they developed and bought all this stuff (the same people who announced they sued me and already won, according to you, remember?) "
NP3 didn't buy the rights to Enigana, they bought the right to it's NAME... and the rights to use scraper. Are you that retarded you just cannot comprehend this, or are you simply a shill stirring things up here without a logical debate.. or a pin-point accusation...?
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His (Pix) lively hood is at stake he has the right to be emotional, but nothing I have read does Pix Waiver on his story or intent. Court proceeding take a long time and there are many govermental hoops you must jump threw to actually have your day in courts.
As for your insinuating that he makes up secondary accounts..etc. I've never seen this.. can you point us all to a post that is Pix's using another account..?
Who cares what his web-site looks like... how does that refute anything he has said. It sound to me like you personally don't like him BECAUSE you personally HATE him for personally doing someting to you... perhaps like leaving your company. Yes.. I am calling you a Shill !! Your posts are too personal and your starting to post things that don't matter to the debate... whats next, you going to post and complain about his haircut ..?
Those are personal attacks... thus we all know that you are a Farlon chode'boi. You simply cannot be argueing about Pix's dealing and litigation against Farlan/NP3 or pointing out inaccuracies. Your trying to discredit him.
Such a newb.... lol
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All the rest is also pure non-sense. You should ask Farlan/NPCube for a wages rise, since it's not convincing enough again, or maybe they should hire somebody else.
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IKS, you oughta know by now sweetiekins, that you need proof behind your words here in this board.
Show me proof of your claims.
And btw -- _Pix_ DID sue his former partner because the former partner stole money from the company. ANY BIZ OWNER WOULD DO SO. Trying to make this out that he is legal happy is completely asinine.
I can see your comprehension of the posts at this board is still low and has not improved in all these months. Gee IKS, you are right on par with the DNL game!
It would seem to me that in order to "brown-nose" , there would have to be some "gain" to doing so. I dont see what possible "gain" we could all get by admiring the work he has done. Could you please enlighten us all then by exposing the "gain" we brownnosers are expecting?
Does it hurt you so badly that he is a respected developer of some awesome technology? Why does it concern you so badly? If you are nothing more than a dedicated player, why do you even bother with the "bs" then? Its common knowledge now what NPFleece did to him. Is that what has you all worked up?
As well, he is NOT the only one that left NPFleece. SEVERAL members quit that NPFleece team.(He is simply one who had his OWN technology.) Seems to me the probs you are trying to place on _Pix_ are in fact probs that are better secured from the source ---- NPFleece founder. No one seems able to work with him or the nutshell team that is left. _Pix_ has nothing to do with that. You gotta wonder whats wrong with the leadership of a team when over half jump ship.
And timing, you speak about 2 years --- welllll, didnt DNL go live now? Seems to me that is the perfect and most logical time for someone to claim that the game is using his technology without his permission and is garnering, or trying to garner (LOL) profits from its use. Hmmm....ayup....tell the world what liars, cheats and scumbags NPFleece are when they announce a launch ----follow the announcements delay after delay and ah yes...launch day! Bring in the legal team for _Pix_ side (he has already gotten court ordered proof of the use of his technology in the engine) and viola --- the wheels of justice are slow but heavy and do not stray from their path. Its a matter of time.
Not only will DNL die a wimpy ash and wreckage-strewn death but will then have the humiliation of being stomped in the ground in the court system. Hmmm, is this why you so angry???
The only way for us to NOT believe Pix is if he is caught lying several times, or if pre-D&L Farlan would post statments contradicting Pix's. So far Pix hasnt lied to us, and since we cannot control time I doubt pre-D&L Farlan option is realistic. I doubt any other devs have any credibility left too (I dont know much about them except for Vuuar, and after reading several of his statements I trust me just as much as I trust Farlan).
So if you want to discredit Pix, bring some solid proof or face other people ridiculing your statements. For now, we have your word against Pix's, and atm, i'll take his word yours easily.
EDIT: grrrr, Cholayna beat me with his reply to what I was trying to say...
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Called out ? on what
All Iam saying he is same kind of BS like Farlan is.
For past 2 years he claims his engine was stoled, but on the other hand he did not post or said to you that that "his engine" did belong to owner of Enignana project. ( they just gave up on him... send them email and ask them )
Facts:
1. He was NP3 partner ( not just employe ) and to become partner you need to bring something in that partnership. ( like his procedual terrain knowledge )
2. NP3 bought complete rights for Enigana and made second version. ( how come he did not sue its same procedual stuff used there )
3. DnL used VWORLD terain in first betas ( leteron they claimed that it was rewriten.. and its probably BS too)
4. Pix is a very conflict person , original owners of Enigana had dispute with him ( ask them if you dont belive me )
5. He sued his previus partner ( and it seems he will be always in conflict with everyone he works with )
6. His great engine in presented at site that 10 years old can make in word.
All Iam saying you are being too naive and he pull same kind of bullshit as Farlan and yes Cholyana a lot of brown noiser's here. ( )
And please did you saw in any other game or app that some dev whnning so much on forums and act like chiled. Not only on other gaming sites but he constantly makes new user name on offical dnl boards and posting his crap there.
imo hes claim is pointless but he dont have any real work to do so he put most of his effort posting on fan sites.
p.s. Farlan is not any better ... conflicts, lies, bad bussinees...
Please post to us proofs.
We would like to see some links, letters, ANYTHING.
Farlan has lost ANY sense of credibility by lying o its fanbase of rthe last few years.
I even have made my own list before and I made sure I INCLUDED various FACTs and Links to prove my argument.
All you have done so far is add "assumptions" and your own theories that just does not add up.
Please post to us ANY proof you have and please INCLUDE your sources.
We have done this when we are called liars so it shouldn't be hard for you to show to us ANY sort of proof also to make you allegations against Pix valid.
I personally am a big fan of people telling the truth and showing FACTS about it.
IF You can do it for us then I will support you 110% and I am sure you will have others supporting you as well.
But so far you have shown nothing to support your arguments.
You just come here spouting accusations over accusations that came right out of left field and makes some of us wonder where you get your info from.
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Whoooa there chode-a'boi.
He is in litigation with Farlan/Np3. It's not like this stuff takes months.. it takes YEARS.
Whoooa there chode-a'boi.
He is in litigation with Farlan/Np3. It's not like this stuff takes months.. it takes YEARS.
And in the meantime, DNL will die its painful death and _Pix_ will still be one coming outta this shining brightly. I honestly think thats his (IK) whole problem with this. It was horribly wrong and sleazy and unethical and weasel-like what Farceland/NPFleece did. Dirty laundry is indeed shameful and NPFleece should be ashamed. Most ppl who cant handle emotion would give the knee jerk reaction and be defensive and strike back - trying to make themselves feel better. Woulda been better for IK and the others to keep their mouths shut and simply go with what news is going out. By denying the obvious, striking back with lousy false accusations, trying to discredit _Pix_ against all the true evidence is only making them look even worse.
_Pix_ and the others here have already given all the evidence, have already discussed these very topics IK brings up over and over. With a small retention span, low comprehension and alzheimers-like memory its an effort in futility -- although his posts DO keep the thread alive and kicking and up on top.
Keep it up _Pix_ - you got a ton of ppl pulling for ya!
More happening on the DNL boards regarding the technology. Cannot believe the lies and the depth this has gone from NP3
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67310
okay Ellear, fess up, who are you?
Exactly!!!
Further proof for him, all good for him. Can you imagine the STACKS of evidence he already has? They just keep feeding it! Ppl too damned stupid to see it!
(I still wanna know who Ellera or whatever that guy/gal's name is)
I tried to refute the lies that are spread at the DNL in regards to this topic. Since I do not frequent the DNL boards I did not know this was as wide spread as it was nor did I know that a supposed thread had been made about a "taboo topic".There is no forum rule that specifically states this topic must not be discussed. There is no informational "sticky" regarding this topic as a banned topic.
I have read the information not only here but also on other boards and I believe it to be the complete truth as there is quite the proof that the developer of VWorld has produced. I refuted the statements of the other posters at DNL and was unceremoniously falsely accused and permanently banned.
I was banned for relating the truth of the situation as it stands now in public knowledge. I was also accused of being a few other people. There was no warning. There was no discussion. I am not those other people they stated I was. I have one account and one account only.
This action by the people at the DNL forums is uncalled for and woefully unprofessional. I do believe also that this action only further directs the reader to question the stand this company has taken regarding the situation. I do not see how hiding this information or discrediting if you will, shows a professional attitude by the staff at DNL. It makes it more evident that the developer of VWorld is indeed the victim of a team of unethical businessmen. I will also agree that the evident lies that have been circulated by the staff at DNL have, can and will further only advance the course of the VWorld owner.
Since I was treated as such, I have copied and sent to my credit card company the permanent ban post by the DNL staff and therefore requested a refund of all moneys paid along with the obvious reasons of an unplayable game. (I also faxed a copy of the most recent server downtime). As a side note, the customer service rep at my credit card company was incredulous of the actions and situation of this company.
Welcome Ellear, grab a seat and some popcorn. We are waiting for the curtain to go up on act two of the great Deceit and Lie trainwreck.
BTW congrats on the banning, I have unsucessfully tried numerous times with my postings and can't seem to join that elite club. I really find it ironic that they are now forum banning paying customers if I read your posting correctly.
Good job Attention Deficit, ban the paying customers. Way to make the game grow.
Ellear, guess what? THey used my colleagues names in your banning post. Coya and the others work together. They used a email account to register at the DNL site so that they had one place to get the info when they all bought the preorder (the preorder of course they used their own personal email). There is an Ellyear in the bunch, not Ellear. There was also a problem with Ellyear and his inability to log in..I am wondering now if this may have been a source for his problems? He refunded long ago. There were 6 total. 5 jumped ship in SOG with one we all agreed would stay ingame. Hes still there.
The email account is a "junk" account used at a place of business for the employee "fun" stuff. So many internet jokes, etc etc being sent to the biz accounts, we allowed a employee "junk" email account for any number of employees to access. 5 used that same email account in registering at the boards (and again but not when ordering the game) and a 6th used a personal one.
Although many posts had been made by this group, different times, different forum members, etc etc. it wasnt a problem until Aratomin made the refund threads in the beginning of SOG refuting the illegality of the "no refund" Farlan tried to pull. While this was going on, the group made other posts, etc. etc. Since they worked in different shifts, many would read and respond to what their coworker posted. All this without any problem at all...until..
Coya came in and saw that a post was made by Aratomin. It was an extremely well thought out, informative and "constructive" posts regarding the no refund policy and refuting the idea that Farlan was trying to pass out. Several other nonaffiliated persons made agreeing posts, added to it, (and of course flamed it).
Coya posted a "kudos" to Aratomin commending him on delivering correct and well written post regarding the consumer rights, refund eligibility, etc. etc. Now mind you, all this time, allllll of the group had been posting other posts in other threads, etc etc. No problems at all.
Within a day, one of the moderators locked the thread, BANNED Aratomin, accused Coya of being him and BANNED Coya. No warning, no discussion, nothing. Just like you. However, they have now added YOU to the group which is totally out of this world and I dont understand how Ellear got into the group that had Ellyear.
Makes you wonder what they have been doing with the forum registry accounts now doesnt it?
The one person left out of that group has since changed his email in the forum and was forwarded this post as well as the one made by DNL forum moderator. I do not know what he plans to do but the last thing he suggested was pulling himself from the forums altogether.
Again, makes you wonder what the hell is going on with the forum registry accounts.
Common knowledge now even among those that still have an account (albeit its unplayable) that there is problems with this engine and its due to the team that claims to have developed it yet they dont know how to make it work. I dont understand why they could not even show credit for the technology to the VWORLD company. A simple acknowledgement. They blast BW all over the place. Perhaps it all was simply a great ploy for BIGWORLD advertisement. Allowing for more experienced game techs to buy it and use it. Maybe DNL never was meant for the big time, maybe it was bw all along. :S Would certainly make more sense than them actually believing DNL would work out.
Good luck _Pix_. You deserve the good things out of this.
And you know what Alouisious? I think you are quite correct in your interpretation, the thing is the only tangible elements I've got are the various articles that inexplicably and repeatedly were mixing up BigWorld and VWORLD.
I'd really like to thank you and all the other posters of these boards who demonstrated their support and dedicated so much time trying to understand the whole story. This is a great help.
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"I will also always.... ALWAYS shake my fist at that damn dev who
contributed the other weather code but sabotaged it so NP Cube couldn't
access it. Piroux, I will avoid any game you are involved in.
Quoted from Ansyen
Seems the ill informed masses are all thats left over there.
Anyways good luck in the court case _pix_.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
hahah i can just see NP3/farlan reading that out in court aswell.
"Here we present item number A to the court" ( pile of poo from a toilet at NP3)
The judge looks at it and reply's
" Ok ive seen now what DnL has become, is there any other evidence that you wish to bring forward"
IT would appear as though they are starting the campaign against _Pix_ and VWORLD again. I would almost have to agree with Alou's ( too damned confusing to spell) post -- perhaps the marketing of BW is the main thing all along. It DOES certainly explain why the game is truly a complete failure and a huge mess.
New posts about VWORLD and new accusations against _Pix_ are sprouting up. Why? Have the devs realized, finally, that their game is a complete failure? Looking for excuses and blame other than themselves? Of course they are. No blame should be rested on the shoulders of the great GOD ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL! Its the blasphemous actions of the evil ones who have destroyed all hope within the kingdom of the glory of the GOD ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL. Sabotage? BWAHHAHAAAAAAAAA
Sigh..well, if anything, they are certainly more food for _Pix_'s feed bag to the extent that Farlan has taken this.
As for the poster asking to see the contract between _Pix_ and Farlan ----- wtf? Get a grip dude. Your post is obviously a troll attack on _Pix_ no matter how you try to dress it up. Your statements and demands are those of a twelve yr old. "oh yeh, well, well prove it ya dumbhead" sheesh, give this forum a break already.
Especially when anyone with more than one brain cell and a couple synapses still weakly firing would know that any contract betweem _Pix_ and Farawayland would be considered evidence for the upcoming court proceedings and therefore not privy to public scrutiny. Seems to be a great influx of trolls coming to Farawayland territory these days.