(Scroll down - numbers are for today, 21st July 2015 - numbers are updated hourly
Total number of people that are registered at the Star Citizen homepage :
927.104 "Active Citizens" aka Star Citizens
of those
734.212 are "UEE Fleet" captains with one or more ships. Commonly known as "backers"
Those 734.212 have a pledge package. That means they added money to the project.
(85.179.270/734212= 116 $on average per backer)
192.892 have not pledged yet, but follow the project.
Have fun
Don't bother, they'll find a way to twist these figures and eventually will come up with scenario fitting their point of view.
And how many of those 734.212 are multiple accounts of one same individual?
You said that the number basically grow "hourly". Why it grows "hourly", but this grow does not reflect ever in the people playing Arena Commander? Or watching their shows? Or going to their forums? Or liking their Facebook page, etc. etc?
"Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!"
LoL
P.S: Grab your popcorn. Derek probably will reply one of these days
You demanded proof about all this money coming from the backers.
Have you anything to add regarding the above mentioned figures ?
You shown me a counter. A counter that counts when you go there and buy a package. But if I go there and buy another package, it counts too... I don't know in what other way that counter could grow too, I don't have access to their database.
It could be a script. Growing as they please and think that sounds "reasonable and acceptable grow".
Who knows.
The fact is... that is not a proof that all money came from the hands of the backers or to say how many individuals they actually have in their population.
Definitely is not.
So, the question remains. So far you are just speculating. Speculating that what Roberts say is true... I don't know... I saw him lying in this project many times, for money, breaking promises, for money. So, you have to understand that is reasonable that I would doubt of his word, right?
"Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!"
LoL
P.S: Grab your popcorn. Derek probably will reply one of these days
You demanded proof about all this money coming from the backers.
Have you anything to add regarding the above mentioned figures ?
You shown me a counter. A counter that counts when you go there and buy a package. But if I go there and buy another package, it counts too... I don't know in what other way that counter could grow too, I don't have access to their database.
It could be a script. Growing as they please and think that sounds "reasonable and acceptable grow".
Who knows.
The fact is... that is not a proof that all money came from the hands of the backers or to say how many individuals they actually have in their population.
Definitely is not.
So basically what you are saying is instead of investing a large sum of money to Roberts company , these "Angel Investors" are making multiple accounts to buy ships and make it appear that there is a large following. Is this the correct assessment of your insane thinking?
(Scroll down - numbers are for today, 21st July 2015 - numbers are updated hourly
Total number of people that are registered at the Star Citizen homepage :
927.104 "Active Citizens" aka Star Citizens
of those
734.212 are "UEE Fleet" captains with one or more ships. Commonly known as "backers"
Those 734.212 have a pledge package. That means they added money to the project.
(85.179.270/734212= 116 $on average per backer)
192.892 have not pledged yet, but follow the project.
Have fun
Don't bother, they'll find a way to twist these figures and eventually will come up with scenario fitting their point of view.
And how many of those 734.212 are multiple accounts of one same individual?
You said that the number basically grow "hourly". Why it grows "hourly", but this grow does not reflect ever in the people playing Arena Commander? Or watching their shows? Or going to their forums? Or liking their Facebook page, etc. etc?
Why only this counter grow, and nothing else?
[mod edit]
In order to own one or more ships you need to be a backer! 734.212 people own ships, many of these INDIVIDUALS more than one. The counter counts backers NOT ships sold!
And how the hell do you know how many people are playing arena commander or not ?
12 months in, we will allow the early backers to play the multiplayer space combat Alpha, and then 20-22 months in they will get to play the Star Citizen Beta, adventuring around the huge open galaxy, well before the general public.
(Scroll down - numbers are for today, 21st July 2015 - numbers are updated hourly
Total number of people that are registered at the Star Citizen homepage :
927.104 "Active Citizens" aka Star Citizens
of those
734.212 are "UEE Fleet" captains with one or more ships. Commonly known as "backers"
Those 734.212 have a pledge package. That means they added money to the project.
(85.179.270/734212= 116 $on average per backer)
192.892 have not pledged yet, but follow the project.
Have fun
Don't bother, they'll find a way to twist these figures and eventually will come up with scenario fitting their point of view.
And how many of those 734.212 are multiple accounts of one same individual?
You said that the number basically grow "hourly". Why it grows "hourly", but this grow does not reflect ever in the people playing Arena Commander? Or watching their shows? Or going to their forums? Or liking their Facebook page, etc. etc?
Why only this counter grow, and nothing else?
[mod edit]
In order to own one or more ships you need to be a backer! 734.212 people own ships, many of these INDIVIDUALS more than one. The counter counts backers NOT ships sold!
And how the hell do you know how many people are playing arena commander or not ?
You can buy different packages. That's exactly what Roberts told in the past, remember? I just put that a few posts earlier.
Arena Commander players? Check the leaderboards, it gives you an idea.
"Will it take longer to deliver all this? Of course! When the scope changes, the amount of time it will take to deliver all the features naturally increases. This is something we are acutely aware of."
But, back in the day, when he was willing to get another million dollar he said:
"Finally there is one very important element – the more funds we can raise in the pre-launch phase, the more we can invest in additional content (more ships, characters etc.) and perhaps more importantly we can apply greater number of resources to the various tasks to ensure we deliver the full functionality sooner rather than later."
"But both types of goals are carefully considered — we don’t commit to adding features that would hold up the game’s ability to go “live” in a fully functional state. Also remember that this is not like a typical retail boxed product — there is no rule that all features and content have to come online at the same time! As you can see from the Hangar Module we plan to make functionality and content come on line as it’s ready, so you should look at the stretch goals as a window into the future of functionality and content additions we plan for the live game."
You know what that made Mr. Roberts, right guys? It's cool when you have your money already and only then, decide to be honest, right? (maybe honest of course, who knows... who can we trust in the word of this man... who lie to get people's money).
"There are people out there who are going to tell you that this is all a BAD THING. That it’s ‘feature creep’ and we should make a smaller, less impressive game for the sake of having it out more quickly or in order to meet artificial deadlines. Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!"
So, he basically is saying that some people who bought into this, based in what HE advertised are idiots. That's what he is saying.
Did you believe me in what I said the past? Bullshit!
That's what he is saying.
"You didn’t back Star Citizen because you want what you’ve seen before."
Mind reader Roberts? So, you ignore all those people that just pledged to get a new Wing Commander with updated graphics with Privateer/Freelancer elements, and additions LATER after the release AS YOU, MR. Roberts, promised and constantly advertised ALONG YEARS!
/facepalm
So, now... everyone is a fanboy or whale who spent tons of dollars into this, to get an eternal broken Alphas, because "it solves all the problems of feature creep"
LoL
Chris Roberts is a joker at best. He has no shame to disrespect customers. I am absolutely shocked to this tons of additional proof of deception that he just decided to release to people.
The TL;DR of his new letter is a kind of
"I am honestly telling you that I was dishonest and lied to you for years! And I don't care with what you want, because I know what you want and I say what you want!"
"I am honestly telling you that I was dishonest and lied to you for years! And I don't care with what you want, because I know what you want and I say what you want!"
/triple quadruple ... facepalm
Yup, that's the problem with these MMO developers, they lie all the time, every one of them.
Just check the forums of any major MMO, you'll see all the posts about the lies and deception. They keep adding stuff and taking stuff away that nobody asked for...
"The Federal Trade Commission makes and enforces rules to protect consumers from unfair or deceptive business practices, and its consumer protection principles apply to crowdfunding sites in the same way they apply to things like catalogs, direct mail and TV commercials, according to Helen Wong, an attorney with the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection. Sellers can’t make deceptive representations, and they have to fulfill promises they’ve made to consumers, for starters."
Hey Mr. Derek Smart or jcrg99 or ... well you know all your names better.
You´re really trying hard to find new supporters everywhere. Hating and spreading misguiding falsified information based on your strange thoughts of redemption, Mr. Hardcore-Internet-Warlord.
When can you accept that a) your games are not pretty good and b) someone else (here: Mr. Roberts) is building the most ambitious game I have ever seen in my whole gaming life. Eventually it will not meet everyone´s expectations but it will try hard to do so.
Oh here btw. a new 10 for the Chairman for you to rip apart (example prepared for you: "oh no his brother Erin has a central position now... he has to leave CIG too).
It´s almost 90 minutes long... can you find the part where he says "Bullshit" right in your face?
Luckily you cannot ban people here. That´s what you do everywhere you have "power" *cough*
Maybe this makes you more mad and you try even harder to let CIG burn... in the end you will lose. You already lost your credibility long time ago.
"my goal is to make the journey of Star Citizen’s development worth the price of admission and the final game be the best bonus in the world."
And here the only promise that I don't doubt, he will accomplish, but not in the way that he imagined when produced such statement.
Your own interpretations and speculation of what someone is saying is not proof that a game will be good or bad , its just a opinion. Your post spamming however is showing that you have personal issues about this subject.
“Several years from now, when you are surrounded by your loved ones, and they ask you what did you do during the battle for Space Sims and PC games, you can look them in the eye and say; I helped make Star Citizen.”
Many backers will have to record this for the future generations, for sure. Maybe they can play the record while surrounding your grave. Look to their eyes will be creepy then, Mr. Roberts.
There once was a small family owned oil company called Bob's Backyard Drilling. This family made the mistake of hiring a Snake in a Suit to help them bring their operations online. After dispossessing the former owners of their company, the Snake in a Suit took all the money for himself and thought about what to do next as CEO of this little business. How to leverage the ill gotten gains?
Snake decides to issue a list of demands to the president of Exxon Mobil. He states that all the CEO has to do to avoid the wrath of Bob's Backyard Drilling is to comply with all his wishes to the letter, starting with the resignation of the CEO of Exxon Mobil.
Does this sound remotely reasonable? Why should anyone have to deal with Snake in the first place, a random person floating around the internet? What possible incentive could someone have for giving Snake power over their company?
I don't know, somehow I question DS motives. His "success" in gaming (has anyone ever heard of how he "turned Alganon around"?) seems to make him less than qualified.
Let's say that DS is right about his godhood and that he's a higher life form than us stupid common folk. DS knows best, he made Alganon "successful" and now he's going to go on a Star Citizen crusade to "save" it from itself.
What is his endgame? He wants to see SC succeed? It's almost surreal that there needs to be a thread even mentioning DS in the same forum for Star Citizen. I need more coffee...
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
LoD may break the 4 concurrent users online (its previous peak) due to DS spending what is probably a couple weeks writing/prepping a couple blog posts just to make a fool of himself.
Edit: Sorry, it had 111 at one point, but it's blazing the top charts at 4 per month now:
Comments
Don't bother, they'll find a way to twist these figures and eventually will come up with scenario fitting their point of view.
Ok. I think that this thread can be closed now. All concerns ended. No doubts anymore.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14839-Letter-From-The-Chairman
God said:
"Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!"
LoL
P.S: Grab your popcorn. Derek probably will reply one of these days
And how many of those 734.212 are multiple accounts of one same individual?
You said that the number basically grow "hourly". Why it grows "hourly", but this grow does not reflect ever in the people playing Arena Commander? Or watching their shows? Or going to their forums? Or liking their Facebook page, etc. etc?
Why only this counter grow, and nothing else?
You demanded proof about all this money coming from the backers.
Have you anything to add regarding the above mentioned figures ?
You shown me a counter. A counter that counts when you go there and buy a package. But if I go there and buy another package, it counts too... I don't know in what other way that counter could grow too, I don't have access to their database.
It could be a script. Growing as they please and think that sounds "reasonable and acceptable grow".
Who knows.
The fact is... that is not a proof that all money came from the hands of the backers or to say how many individuals they actually have in their population.
Definitely is not.
So, the question remains. So far you are just speculating. Speculating that what Roberts say is true... I don't know... I saw him lying in this project many times, for money, breaking promises, for money. So, you have to understand that is reasonable that I would doubt of his word, right?
So basically what you are saying is instead of investing a large sum of money to Roberts company , these "Angel Investors" are making multiple accounts to buy ships and make it appear that there is a large following. Is this the correct assessment of your insane thinking?
[mod edit]
In order to own one or more ships you need to be a backer! 734.212 people own ships, many of these INDIVIDUALS more than one. The counter counts backers NOT ships sold!
And how the hell do you know how many people are playing arena commander or not ?
I just read that new Roberts letter.
Epic bs. TONS of contradictions with earlier speech.
He now claims that was planning to release an Alpha multiplayer and a Beta "Squadron 42"...
"Originally we had just planned to share a multiplayer dogfighting alpha and then the beta of the game (which would have just been Squadron 42)."
That was not what you advertised Mr. Roberts:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/description
12 months in, we will allow the early backers to play the multiplayer space combat Alpha, and then 20-22 months in they will get to play the Star Citizen Beta, adventuring around the huge open galaxy, well before the general public.
You can buy different packages. That's exactly what Roberts told in the past, remember? I just put that a few posts earlier.
Arena Commander players? Check the leaderboards, it gives you an idea.
Just because you think something is "BS" it doesn't make you right. Your multiple account theory has no merit or proof.
So, now Roberts says:
"Will it take longer to deliver all this? Of course! When the scope changes, the amount of time it will take to deliver all the features naturally increases. This is something we are acutely aware of."
But, back in the day, when he was willing to get another million dollar he said:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13266-Letter-From-The-Chairman-19-Million
"Finally there is one very important element – the more funds we can raise in the pre-launch phase, the more we can invest in additional content (more ships, characters etc.) and perhaps more importantly we can apply greater number of resources to the various tasks to ensure we deliver the full functionality sooner rather than later."
And, pursuiting another million he said:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13284-Letter-From-The-Chairman-20-Million
"But both types of goals are carefully considered — we don’t commit to adding features that would hold up the game’s ability to go “live” in a fully functional state. Also remember that this is not like a typical retail boxed product — there is no rule that all features and content have to come online at the same time! As you can see from the Hangar Module we plan to make functionality and content come on line as it’s ready, so you should look at the stretch goals as a window into the future of functionality and content additions we plan for the live game."
You know what that made Mr. Roberts, right guys? It's cool when you have your money already and only then, decide to be honest, right? (maybe honest of course, who knows... who can we trust in the word of this man... who lie to get people's money).
"There are people out there who are going to tell you that this is all a BAD THING. That it’s ‘feature creep’ and we should make a smaller, less impressive game for the sake of having it out more quickly or in order to meet artificial deadlines. Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!"
So, he basically is saying that some people who bought into this, based in what HE advertised are idiots. That's what he is saying.
Did you believe me in what I said the past? Bullshit!
That's what he is saying.
"You didn’t back Star Citizen because you want what you’ve seen before."
Mind reader Roberts? So, you ignore all those people that just pledged to get a new Wing Commander with updated graphics with Privateer/Freelancer elements, and additions LATER after the release AS YOU, MR. Roberts, promised and constantly advertised ALONG YEARS!
/facepalm
So, now... everyone is a fanboy or whale who spent tons of dollars into this, to get an eternal broken Alphas, because "it solves all the problems of feature creep"
LoL
Chris Roberts is a joker at best. He has no shame to disrespect customers. I am absolutely shocked to this tons of additional proof of deception that he just decided to release to people.
The TL;DR of his new letter is a kind of
"I am honestly telling you that I was dishonest and lied to you for years! And I don't care with what you want, because I know what you want and I say what you want!"
/triple quadruple ... facepalm
"my goal is to make the journey of Star Citizen’s development worth the price of admission and the final game be the best bonus in the world."
And here the only promise that I don't doubt, he will accomplish, but not in the way that he imagined when produced such statement.
Yup, that's the problem with these MMO developers, they lie all the time, every one of them.
Just check the forums of any major MMO, you'll see all the posts about the lies and deception. They keep adding stuff and taking stuff away that nobody asked for...
/s
"That was a hard choice to abandon one of the central tenets of crowd funding projects, the idea that the sky is the limit…"
"Allowing independent authors to do more is the point of crowd funding, and going beyond our limitations is the entire point of Star Citizen."
That is not true... that's just your televangelism about crowd-funding Mr. Roberts...
Federal Trade Comission, prove you wrong:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/trouble-crowdfunding-next-big-tech-gadget-180951754/
"The Federal Trade Commission makes and enforces rules to protect consumers from unfair or deceptive business practices, and its consumer protection principles apply to crowdfunding sites in the same way they apply to things like catalogs, direct mail and TV commercials, according to Helen Wong, an attorney with the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection. Sellers can’t make deceptive representations, and they have to fulfill promises they’ve made to consumers, for starters."
You´re really trying hard to find new supporters everywhere. Hating and spreading misguiding falsified information based on your strange thoughts of redemption, Mr. Hardcore-Internet-Warlord.
When can you accept that a) your games are not pretty good and b) someone else (here: Mr. Roberts) is building the most ambitious game I have ever seen in my whole gaming life. Eventually it will not meet everyone´s expectations but it will try hard to do so.
Oh here btw. a new 10 for the Chairman for you to rip apart (example prepared for you: "oh no his brother Erin has a central position now... he has to leave CIG too).
It´s almost 90 minutes long... can you find the part where he says "Bullshit" right in your face?
Luckily you cannot ban people here. That´s what you do everywhere you have "power" *cough*
Maybe this makes you more mad and you try even harder to let CIG burn... in the end you will lose. You already lost your credibility long time ago.
Cya on the Internetz
Your own interpretations and speculation of what someone is saying is not proof that a game will be good or bad , its just a opinion. Your post spamming however is showing that you have personal issues about this subject.
“Several years from now, when you are surrounded by your loved ones, and they ask you what did you do during the battle for Space Sims and PC games, you can look them in the eye and say; I helped make Star Citizen.”
Many backers will have to record this for the future generations, for sure. Maybe they can play the record while surrounding your grave. Look to their eyes will be creepy then, Mr. Roberts.
LoL
There once was a small family owned oil company called Bob's Backyard Drilling. This family made the mistake of hiring a Snake in a Suit to help them bring their operations online. After dispossessing the former owners of their company, the Snake in a Suit took all the money for himself and thought about what to do next as CEO of this little business. How to leverage the ill gotten gains?
Snake decides to issue a list of demands to the president of Exxon Mobil. He states that all the CEO has to do to avoid the wrath of Bob's Backyard Drilling is to comply with all his wishes to the letter, starting with the resignation of the CEO of Exxon Mobil.
Does this sound remotely reasonable? Why should anyone have to deal with Snake in the first place, a random person floating around the internet? What possible incentive could someone have for giving Snake power over their company?
It's insane.
I don't know, somehow I question DS motives. His "success" in gaming (has anyone ever heard of how he "turned Alganon around"?) seems to make him less than qualified.
Let's say that DS is right about his godhood and that he's a higher life form than us stupid common folk. DS knows best, he made Alganon "successful" and now he's going to go on a Star Citizen crusade to "save" it from itself.
What is his endgame? He wants to see SC succeed? It's almost surreal that there needs to be a thread even mentioning DS in the same forum for Star Citizen. I need more coffee...
I´ll leave this one here... it strangely fits. exchange some words and it could be Mr. Smart singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drNI98abVsQ
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
http://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/Derek_Smart
found that one quite funny
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
LoD may break the 4 concurrent users online (its previous peak) due to DS spending what is probably a couple weeks writing/prepping a couple blog posts just to make a fool of himself.
Edit: Sorry, it had 111 at one point, but it's blazing the top charts at 4 per month now:
http://steamcharts.com/app/266620